Mr. Fantastic vs. Sage

Originally posted by demigawd
That website is all-inclusive. It includes retconned powers too. She did have telepathic abilities in ONE storyline, the one where she goes against Madelyne Pryor. She's never shown it before or since, and one of the Xtreme X-men stories explains that entire thing away.

Really?

Originally posted by Scoobless
yeah she's a good psi, but with her powers volentarily shut down to prevent probing she can't use them against mr F and so she loses, with the power on she could win........... unless mr F had prep time in which case she is royaly screwed

Sage only turns it off because she's surrounded by extremely powerful psychics and she's reeeeeeeeeeally paranoid. If Mr. Fantastic has prep-time then he would probably win. If not, then Sage would make him zip open his pants and see the REAL reason the Invisible Woman married him.

Originally posted by Draco69
Really?

Really. That was all part of the same storyline. Tessa's retconned telepathic powers were used to control Holocaust in the storyline with the photo you attached. Onslaughter took him later on, which led Tessa and Shaw to recruit Selene and Madelyne, which led directly to their fight. Again, it was never referenced before or since.

You didn't read the biography. It says that she WILLFULLY shuts off her telepathy to protect her minds. Even the Official Marvel Handbook of the Marvel Universe : X-Men 2004 says she has telepathy.

Chris Claramont is getting old, he's starting to forget things. Sage does have telepathy. What else it?

Sage is a cyber path. Bianry thought process. She assess without error. not the same as a telepath

Sage "possesses telepathic abilities to read and project thoughts, send out her astral form, cast illusions, and manipulate the minds of others; can consciously close off her mind, which prevents her from accessing her telepathy but renders her mind immune to psionic probes and detection, and creates a defensive force that reflects any offensive mental action back at her attacker"

The Holocast thing was NOT the same storyline. It had to do with the X-Force. (X-Force #49) Tessa also telepathically battles Selene in Uncanny X-Men #189

Originally posted by Empath
Sage is a cyber path. Bianry thought process. She assess without error. not the same as a telepath

Once again : http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=101

ok, ok, ok, fair enough. She's not being written as a telepath anymore, but I'll buy your explanation. But if she's making her telepathy defensive only, that means she's only use it if Reed were trying to attack her mind, so it's still a non-factor in this battle.

It is a factor. Sage knows that Mr. Fantastic is impossible to defeat physically. So she would just turn her telepathy back on. And Mr. F becomes her sex slave.

lol, ok fair enough. I'll give this one to you.