Quasar vs Green Lantern

Originally posted by leonidas
my problem with respect threads though is that they are taken as proofs entire. they shouldn't be. often there are extenuating circumstances about a scene.

anyway, you asked for a few scans to back up some of what i said. here's a few. i'd get more, but i'm too damn lazy.

first one shows he's useless against magic (not saying YOU said he could handle it, but someone else said that . . .)

here's that PEGASUS creature i mentioned (sorry, i knew i f'd the name . . .) eating through his shields. later he also eats through his aura but q gets out before any real damage is done.

For the Pegasus creature affecting his shield, it's truly a bad showing on his part but it wasn't explained what exactly that corrosive was so it can be a plot device in this story.

Originally posted by leonidas
these next 2 show what happened BEFORE aquarian teamed with q to beat quantum . . .

like i said, it happened right after he tried to contain them.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is against souleater -- a powwerful creature composed of psychis energy. another energy type q can't control or affect. he won by getting the souls the made him up revolt against souleater. q is clever and smart, no doubt.

he didn't manipulate it though. He said his blades/quantum energies just didn't affect it.

Originally posted by leonidas
this shows the 2 squadron members q faced before he called for mak to help him. spectrum does a good number on his shield. even whizzer causes some trouble . . .

didn't i post that scan i while ago. Anyway. it didn't totally penetrate the shield. And the outcome was to his favor anyway.

http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar130087mk.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
here's another bizarre charcater able to slice through his shields and constructs.

Well he is definitely bizarre, i'll give you that.

Originally posted by leonidas
and finally his twin defeats at warlock's hands where he says he is unable to control the soul gem energy. as further proof that it wasn't the fluke q said his first defeat was, warlock ports him to the mental plane and toys with him for a while before allowing him to return to the real world.

i'll answer you with this...

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335163rm.jpg

http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335175ra.jpg

ig

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar026196tw.jpg

i'll quote it for you

i haven't been able to tap into his the energy of his infinity gauntlet unless he's projecting some of it

the findings...inconsistent.

Originally posted by leonidas
going through to find some scans DID make me realize i like q a lot. i still see no reason to think he could drain the ring. he has loads of trouble with any energy OUTSIDE the em spectrum, and the gl ring is outside. magic. anti-matter. psionic/psychic. darkforce. infinity gems (and yes, q says he can't drain or control the IG as well. i could scan it, but then i'd have to find it again . . .) the ring IS concentrated willpower, the same energy as in the battery and is outside the em range.

GL don't also have appearances control over darkforce(which doesn't exist in DC, closest would be what shade and the shadow thief was using), magic(unless it's Sentinel), psionic(closest thing they had was the psionic blocker), etc.

As for the anti-matter

here's quasar manipulating it inside a nova

http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034219ss.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034227oh.jpg

And as far as the GL energy being above the em spectrum, didn't Dr. Polaris or some other villain proved it wrong before? I can't remember but i'd look up on it. Also, PC isn't part of it yet...

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersannual18405rd.jpg

extradimensional

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02146lu.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and i found that issue where he blows thanos up. hardly a feat i'd put on a respect thread personally. the attack did less than nothing and in the next panel thanos is taunting q again.

Originally posted by leonidas
far as i could tell, a big difference between the 2 is that a gl can matter manipulate -- q can't. that alone might be a deciding factor. and again, if spectrum can get through his shields and not get drained . . .

it's close. i always said it was. but i still give an edge to a strong gl.

http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cospowunlim1996004420tp.jpg

alters brb back to his original form

problem with him though is that like he is practical in how he does things ala Hal. Why would he need to transmutate things when his constructs suffice.

Also, the scans that you've put were just some of the bad showings he got some through plot devices such as the corrosive stuff pegasus shot while his shield could withstand galactus blasts. Also, some of the energies that he can't manipulate can be right after he analyzed it's energy signature. GL's are not exempt from that also...

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
For the Pegasus creature affecting his shield, it's truly a bad showing on his part but it wasn't explained what exactly that corrosive was so it can be a plot device in this story.

like i said, it happened right after he tried to contain them.

he didn't manipulate it though. He said his blades/quantum energies just didn't affect it.

didn't i post that scan i while ago. Anyway. it didn't totally penetrate the shield. And the outcome was to his favor anyway.

http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar130087mk.jpg

Well he is definitely bizarre, i'll give you that.

i'll answer you with this...

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335163rm.jpg

http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335175ra.jpg

ig

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar026196tw.jpg

i'll quote it for you

the findings...inconsistent.

GL don't also have appearances control over darkforce(which doesn't exist in DC, closest would be what shade and the shadow thief was using), magic(unless it's Sentinel), psionic(closest thing they had was the psionic blocker), etc.

As for the anti-matter

here's quasar manipulating it inside a nova

http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034219ss.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034227oh.jpg

And as far as the GL energy being above the em spectrum, didn't Dr. Polaris or some other villain proved it wrong before? I can't remember but i'd look up on it. Also, PC isn't part of it yet...

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersannual18405rd.jpg

extradimensional

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02146lu.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cospowunlim1996004420tp.jpg

alters brb back to his original form

problem with him though is that like he is practical in how he does things ala Hal. Why would he need to transmutate things when his constructs suffice.

Also, the scans that you've put were just some of the bad showings he got some through plot devices such as the corrosive stuff pegasus shot while his shield could withstand galactus blasts. Also, some of the energies that he can't manipulate can be right after he analyzed it's energy signature. GL's are not exempt from that also...

the soul gem -- was that adam's soul gem? i know i have that issue somewhere, but don't remember which one. from the avengers? anyway, even in your scan he was ko'd for his efforts. the scans with him battling adam are also more current if i recall the arc correctly and the fact that it happened twice in battle indicates that the soul gem is beyond him.

the IG -- again, jut shows that the gems themselves are outside his control. it makes sense that, depending on the energy they release, that q could control some of it.

the anti-matter -- he was trying to shunt it by crawing it out -- he couldn't control it himself, not directly. binary actually had a better showing than he did -- he wasn't doing enough and would have failed, so binary stepped in. q has beaten binary in the past though.

q can easily cast an illusion to make an appearance of bill. it's just light afterall.

as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.

looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man.

Originally posted by leonidas
the soul gem -- was that adam's soul gem? i know i have that issue somewhere, but don't remember which one. from the avengers? anyway, even in your scan he was ko'd for his efforts. the scans with him battling adam are also more current if i recall the arc correctly and the fact that it happened twice in battle indicates that the soul gem is beyond him.

the IG -- again, jut shows that the gems themselves are outside his control. it makes sense that, depending on the energy they release, that q could control some of it.

the anti-matter -- he was trying to shunt it by crawing it out -- he couldn't control it himself, not directly. binary actually had a better showing than he did -- he wasn't doing enough and would have failed, so binary stepped in. q has beaten binary in the past though.

q can easily cast an illusion to make an appearance of bill. it's just light afterall.

as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.

looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man.

but who wins, jun??!

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
For the Pegasus creature affecting his shield, it's truly a bad showing on his part but it wasn't explained what exactly that corrosive was so it can be a plot device in this story.

like i said, it happened right after he tried to contain them.

he didn't manipulate it though. He said his blades/quantum energies just didn't affect it.

didn't i post that scan i while ago. Anyway. it didn't totally penetrate the shield. And the outcome was to his favor anyway.

http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar130087mk.jpg

Well he is definitely bizarre, i'll give you that.

i'll answer you with this...

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335163rm.jpg

http://img418.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers335175ra.jpg

ig

http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar026196tw.jpg

i'll quote it for you

the findings...inconsistent.

GL don't also have appearances control over darkforce(which doesn't exist in DC, closest would be what shade and the shadow thief was using), magic(unless it's Sentinel), psionic(closest thing they had was the psionic blocker), etc.

As for the anti-matter

here's quasar manipulating it inside a nova

http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034219ss.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quasar034227oh.jpg

And as far as the GL energy being above the em spectrum, didn't Dr. Polaris or some other villain proved it wrong before? I can't remember but i'd look up on it. Also, PC isn't part of it yet...

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersannual18405rd.jpg

extradimensional

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersinfinity02146lu.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cospowunlim1996004420tp.jpg

alters brb back to his original form

problem with him though is that like he is practical in how he does things ala Hal. Why would he need to transmutate things when his constructs suffice.

Also, the scans that you've put were just some of the bad showings he got some through plot devices such as the corrosive stuff pegasus shot while his shield could withstand galactus blasts. Also, some of the energies that he can't manipulate can be right after he analyzed it's energy signature. GL's are not exempt from that also...

he does it again 😱

Originally posted by Juntai
Dr Light was able to control the constructs fairly recently, not sure if it was before or after the retcon, it would be cutting it close though... but he has the ability to make and control hard-light constructs himself as well. So.. I dunno.

In any case this is a good battle in raw power.

But I have seen Gl's powers being absorbed far too often to counter a defensive move against someone who has absorbed energy far greater.

And both Gl and Quasar have tons of low showing like getting their ass kicked that people are not showing. 😉

Originally posted by kgkg
Yes and Quasar does that much better than Dr. Light

In any case this is a good battle in raw power.

But I have seen Gl's powers being absorbed far too often to counter a defensive move against someone who has absorbed energy far greater.

And both Gl and Quasar have tons of low showing like getting their ass kicked that people are not showing. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
the soul gem -- was that adam's soul gem? i know i have that issue somewhere, but don't remember which one. from the avengers? anyway, even in your scan he was ko'd for his efforts. the scans with him battling adam are also more current if i recall the arc correctly and the fact that it happened twice in battle indicates that the soul gem is beyond him.

on the other scan, he actually replicated the infinity gem's power given the analysis of it's nature and used it accordingly. But it's not the soul gem or more appropriately adam warlock's gem. It was actually an infinity gem the collector had, but back then, they haven't developed the concept of infinity gems so they called each of them a soul gem.

Originally posted by leonidas
the IG -- again, jut shows that the gems themselves are outside his control. it makes sense that, depending on the energy they release, that q could control some of it.

It's true. I believe that's a fact that he can't manipulate it without it showing some output. But anything he has analyzed (with the exception of Darkforce and magic), he has been able to replicate and manipulate. It's only when he encounters something totally new to him which is outside the em spectrum, that he is having a hard time or almost impossiple in manipulating. But giving Epoch and him enough time, he could analyze it's energy signature and be able to manipulate it. Anyway he only struck when thanos when he did let out some output from the IG. Then manipulating it, he vaporized t's body. Too bad though, cause Thanos almost immediately reformed. I wouldn't be surprised though since his enemy was a lot higher than the god he's in allignment with(infinity)

Originally posted by leonidas
the anti-matter -- he was trying to shunt it by crawing it out -- he couldn't control it himself, not directly. binary actually had a better showing than he did -- he wasn't doing enough and would have failed, so binary stepped in. q has beaten binary in the past though.

i gotta disagree with that. He was even covered with it and was almost unaffected. he only shunted it when he was trying to save moondragon since she's vulnerable. Anyway, even if did just shunt it, it was a really high feat and also, Binary who is better than him on that dept, has already been pwned by him too.

Originally posted by leonidas
q can easily cast an illusion to make an appearance of bill. it's just light afterall.

Well he can do that, but what the heck for if he had the geniune article and who would he ask to turn his body back to the way it was? Keep in mind how long he stayed away from Asgard during that time. He also has done matter manipulation to modify a person's vocal cords before. The way i see it would be the same reason why hal just mostly uses a big fist, cause it's impratical when not necessary.

Originally posted by leonidas
as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.

Originally posted by leonidas
looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

Well it's true, no denying. Green Lanterns has done stuff showing more versatility in his feats. But keep in mind Quasar's appearance is a bit limited to judge only on that, considering GL's(collectively) have so many. If only Quasar was appearing regularly or if the previous wielders aside from that stupid marvel boy only managed to hang to it for a good while, i believe they could do something to replicate them. Also, unlike most GL's, he's winning streak against monster cosmic beings is too outstanding considering he's just the lone protector of the universe.

Originally posted by leonidas
decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man.

Yep, my last post here too. But likewise, on Quasar instead. 😄

After looking at both arguments, I think it's closer than I first thought.

I'd have to go with Quasar 6/10 or 7/10.

i am curious scribe -- didn't you say in the ring v bands thread that the ring was better? or did i misread that?

Originally posted by Juntai
Yep. Their in a similar league, the biggest difference is GL and Quasar, is that there's 7200 GLs. lol.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
And only 5 of them are worth mentioning......... 🙄

Originally posted by Juntai
Nah, its just that they're the ones written about most.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
no it's because there useless.........🙂

One of the GL's is an entire planet, Mogo.

Originally posted by Juntai
You could rather be hearing the 5 foot chipmonk one? Do you propose that would sell comics?

One of the GL's is an entire planet, Mogo.

Mogo is awesome

Originally posted by leonidas
as for polaris -- not sure. someone like validus would know better. i wish i could scan rebirth, it explains the battery and its power and the ring's power quite well. not sure it's exactly a full retcon, but at least part of it is. could be that even IF the ring acted as em before, it won't anymore.

looking through that respect thread, gl cn do a lot of things q cannot. i could post a bunch of things from it, but i'll not bother. it's there for everyone to see.

decent debate, close fight, but gl's still my man.

It was Dr. Light, and that was post rebirth IIRC who handled GL. And about Rebirth, I'm not sure any of it is a retcon at all. It just seemed to me another way to explain exactly how important willpower is. I didn't get that they were saying that the output is willpower, rather the output is directly tied into the amount of willpower of the wearer. That is, lots of willpower a higher and stronger energy output, but nonetheless still energy.

If that in fact is the case and the Gl's energy is within the EM spectrum, or more specifically under Q's control, than Wendell takes this 8/10. If for some reason its not then Quasar 6/10

😑

if he CAN control it, wouldn't he win 10/10? if he couldn't, gl would almost certainly take a large majority.

Originally posted by leonidas
😑

if he CAN control it, wouldn't he win 10/10? if he couldn't, gl would almost certainly take a large majority.

GL power is part of the EM Spectrum. It even behaves like regular green light, as per Hal being able to turn it yellow with some fancy velocity tweaking.

Quasar can control it.

velocity tweaking? 😕 where'd you get that?

the central battery gathers willpower`from every living being in the universe and converts it to energy that the gl's can wield. there in an 'emotional' spectrum' just as they is a colour spectrum. 'green will power' is the purest and greatest.' that directly from kyle.

since it does have a colour (hence perhaps at least SOME basis in EM) associated with it, it is possible that q could affect it in someway. i still doubt he he control or drain it, while a gl still has several advanatges over q. it IS manifest willpower, and it's impossible to say for sure q could control it. i've shown already he has trouble with some . . . 'exotic' energies.

you say yes, i say no. won't know for sure til it happens.