General Grievous vs Darth Maul

But Janus, you also have to realize, no one, and I mean NO ONE can compete with the incredible luck of Obi-Wan. Well, not as much luck, but his resourcefulness.

But after hearing your agruements and reading more about the General, I'm going to have to say Maul gets sliced.

Obi is the man. Him and Han have the best luck in the galaxy, it seems. But then again, there is no luck, only the Force.

I agree, Obi-Wan has exceptional skills and I think he is second only to Yoda.

I think Mace is second to Yoda. Obi-Wan is definately powerful to be able to defeat the chosen one in a duel. That would actually make two Sith lords Kenobi defeated, the other being Maul. He didnt fair so well against Tyranus though.

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. Of all the Sith lords Obi Wan fought, Anakin and Maul had the least calm demeanors and experience behind the blade. Count Dooku was a form II master and a superbly calm fighter.

Agreed, but based on Obi-Wan's victories and the fact he becomes a Jedi Knight Light, I still think he is more powerful than Mace, or at least, his equal.

Another reason why I believe Mace is over Obi is the fact that he handled Jango rather easily compared to Kenobi. I dont know if the Clone Wars cartoons are reliable but Mace looked pretty damm bad@ss in there. He actually put Grevious on his knees using the force. Now that would have been a cool fight to see. I am saying spoiler free for ep. 3 so if possible guys try and not to post any spoilers.

Obi Wan wasn't trying to kill Jango, though. He was trying to capture him. I suppose you could say that Obi Wan is more of a Jedi ideal than Mace, however, since Mace's fighting style borders so closely towards passion and the darkside.

And while Vaapad is an impressive and amazing style, Obi Wan specialised in Soresu (I think it's called) which was all about defense. So if the two ever were put in similar situations, Obi Wan might not take the sudden, easy advantage, but from a tactical viewpoint he can always control the situation, which is very desireable. Also, a form III master is considered more or less unbeatable.

Umm, Mace also had Jango on the ground the entire time. Kenobi got that missile fired at him which definately aided Jango.
and I'm talking about ROTS Obi-Wan being equal or better than Mace.

Well I dont know anything about ROTS so I dont know. I did the spoiler thing for ep. II and it ruined it for me, so now I am staying spoiler free for ep. III.

That's a good thing to do, kid. Stay spoiler free, drink your milk, and stay in school.

Obi-Wan is definitely on par with Mace. IMO "luck" is only with Han. Obi-Wan doesn't necessarily win battles by "luck". He wins it due to his resourcefulness and level-headedness. Saying Obi-wan wins everything by luck also contradicts his statement "There's no such thing as luck."

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Keep in mind Maul can use the Force and GG cannot

actually i tjink in clone wars griveous uses the force, he is a result of an experience with midhiclorians right? damn i hate midhiclorians.

and obi wan didn´t cheat to beat maul, maul should have payed more attention, he underestimeted him.

mace windu seems more powerful then kenobi, and so does dooku, and between dooku and mace i think mace is better. the thing that i don´t like is, when i saw dooku and mace fight in ep 2 i wasn´t impressed, and when i see ewan mcgregor fight. he moves so much better anyone saw he and anakin moving the lightsabre quick as hell in a video of ep3?

That was after about three weeks of training for Ewan, six for Hayden, in Episode III...

And Dooku has beaten Mace in the past. With the dark side as his ally, Dooku might be able to defeat Mace. Though to be fair, Mace has learned a lot since his duel with Dooku way back when.

no, that was because ewan is much younger then christopher lee.

dooku is supposed to be the best with a lightsaber at that time. The stupid thing was that Dooku was supposed to be a fencer in episode 2 but they changed it at the last minute.

What did they change it to?

And Norrin, I don't think I understand your point there.

he is not fencing in ATOC

Jackstain is quite right. Maul took on two very powerful jedi at the same time. The jedi Grevious took done were inexperienced losers. MAUL WOULD DESTROY HIM.