Obi-Wan Kenobi question

So what...Ush created SW now? Dude, just cause he's a mod doesnt mean he knows more that EVERYONE else. He has independant thoughts and OPINIONS like all of us here. But i will disagree that OB!didnt go looking for Vader, cause he did. Thats how he wanted to introduce Luke to Vader. He wanted Luke to see Vader kill the only person Luke had, hence, driving him to become a Jedi and destroy the sith. I dont think he ever considered even telling luke that was his pops. He had his own secret agenda. While OB1 is very skilled with a lightsaber, i think most of the victories (we see anyway) are based on luck. And here me out for this.....

He said, "In my experience theres no such thing as luck." But i think while we were supposed to view him as the old wise good guy, and knowing that we would eventually see the backstory of him, that was GL's way of kinda letting us know what kind of guy he is. He got lucky that Maul decided to get stupid an toy with him, he didnt do anything in Ep2, he got beat by Dooku AND Jango fett....c'mon, JANGO FETT. And he was lucky that Vader didnt kill him before he let him kill him. Then we find out all of his "certain point of views"....so i think he IS lucky and said that just as a bit of character definition...and meant to be in a good way....and lets face it, we've seen the screenshots...anakin dominates the whole fught seemingly....he's LUCKY to have beat him.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
But i will disagree that OB!didnt go looking for Vader, cause he did. Thats how he wanted to introduce Luke to Vader. He wanted Luke to see Vader kill the only person Luke had, hence, driving him to become a Jedi and destroy the sith. I dont think he ever considered even telling luke that was his pops. He had his own secret agenda.

I don't totally disagree with this. But I do. After losing Anakin to the dark side because of Anakin's anger and hatred, I don't think he wanted to cause Luke anger and hate that would lead to his downfall.

Episode4;
I believe both Obi-Wan and Vader where seeking for eachother, Vader sensed him approaching and simply waited for him.
Obi-Wan still is the more experienced one, but he's aware of the bigger picture so he just lets Vader have him.
Obi-Wan is very aware of the fact that The Prophecy of Anakin will come true through Luke(for all the reasons known to us).

Episode3;
Anakin is the one, but he certainly is not the experienced one(more a arrogant whining Jedi-Master wannabe).
It would be like giving the car-keys to an infant and saying "you drive"!
Everybody thinks Anakin is sooo great, but even a great to be Jedi must learn.
Obi Wan is just THE MASTER ok......

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So happens I actually try and get by opinions backed with intelligence and factual sources. If people want to believe me based on that reputation then that's reasonable enough; I have certainly made the effort to get to know a lot of these things better than most posters have.

Obi-Wan was beaten in a fair fight by Maul- his heroic moment was actually going toe to toe by him for any amount of time at all, and despite his heroism he still lost. This was no shame- he was only a Padawan, and he never gave up, which is why he was able to kill Maul after Maul's arrogance got the better of him.

Obi-Wan was also beaten in a fair fight by Dooku, but I reject the idea that Anakin looked better. The problem is, Obi-Wan fights in the same style as Dooku (at least by then; he was different in TPM), but Dooku is just plain better at it, hence, Obi-Wan was always going to look poor by comparison. Anakin is a very flashy swordfighter, very different to Dooku- so win or lose, he was always going to LOOK better against the old man, even if he was actually beaten just as hard- Dooku never looked in danger.

Also, I see no reason to think that weariness had anything to do with it- Jedi seem to have fantastic stamina, many of them going straight into a huge war after that Arena fight, and Obi-Wan and Anakin looked absolutely fine. The point is simply that Dooku is VERY good, and GL wanted to show this. Obi-Wan, no fool, knew it- "I cannot take Dooku alone," he tells Anakin, decisively.

If heroes kept just winning their fights by being better there would be no drama. Obi-Wan, in that respect, has to suffer somewhat. But we ALL know that his big moment to shine is in the final duel of all.

As a postscript, though, darkyoda's analysis of the ANH fight makes little sense. That fight was specfically designed to be totally evens. No fighter can get an advantage. It's a choreographed fencing match complete with circular parries and playing for centre and it would have gone on forever. Remember, when first written, Obi-Wan did not die there; there was never any intention to make Vader better. Obi-Wan simply ran out of time, and knew that Luke would never have gotten away if he had stayed.

As for Obi-Wan looking for Vader... tricky, because his movements don't show anything of the sort- he went out, turned off the tractor beam, then went back, straight there.

But it is very likely that he KNEW Vader would meet him, from the lines spoken by either character- Ben's line about him having a different destiny, and Vader's line about escape not being Obi-Wan's plan. So he was probably just waiting on events to happen.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
So happens I actually try and get by opinions backed with intelligence and factual sources. If people want to believe me based on that reputation then that's reasonable enough; I have certainly made the effort to get to know a lot of these things better than most posters have.

Obi-Wan was beaten in a fair fight by Maul- his heroic moment was actually going toe to toe by him for any amount of time at all, and despite his heroism he still lost. This was no shame- he was only a Padawan, and he never gave up, which is why he was able to kill Maul after Maul's arrogance got the better of him.

Obi-Wan was also beaten in a fair fight by Dooku, but I reject the idea that Anakin looked better. The problem is, Obi-Wan fights in the same style as Dooku (at least by then; he was different in TPM), but Dooku is just plain better at it, hence, Obi-Wan was always going to look poor by comparison. Anakin is a very flashy swordfighter, very different to Dooku- so win or lose, he was always going to LOOK better against the old man, even if he was actually beaten just as hard- Dooku never looked in danger.

Also, I see no reason to tthink that weariness had anything to do with it- Jedi seem to have fantastic stamina, many of them going straight into a huge war after that Arena fight, and Obi-Wan and Anakin looked absolutely fine. The point is simply that Dooku is VERY good, and GL wanted to show this. Obi-Wan, no fool, knew it- "I cannot take Dooku alone," he tells Anakin, decisively.

If heroes kept just winning their fights by being better there would be no drama. Obi-Wan, in that respect, has to suffer somewhat. But we ALL know that his big moment to shine is in the final duel of all.

As a postscript, though, darkyoda's analysis of the ANH fight makes little sense. That fight was specfically designed to be totally evens. No fighter can get an advantage. It's a choreographed fencing match complete with circular parries and playing for centre and it would have gone on forever. Remember, when first written, Obi-Wan did not die there; there was never any intention to make Vader better. Obi-Wan simply ran out of time, and knew that Luke would never have gotten away if he had stayed.

As for Obi-Wan looking for Vader... tricky, because his movements don't show anything of the sort- he went out, turned off the tractor beam, then went back, straight there.

But it is very likely that he KNEW Vader would meet him, from the lines spoken by either character- Ben's line about him having a different destiny, and Vader's line about escape not being Obi-Wan's plan. So he was probably just waiting on events to happen.

****ing good analysis, my point exactly although you've taken the time to give a few more words to it Ush!
Couln't have done it better I must say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So people, this should be satisfying enough for all of you!

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I believe much of the confusion over the fight in ANH comes from the fact that there were alot of technical limitations back in the late 70s. This fight needs to be redone in my opinion. After the tremendous fight we will witness in Episode III, how can any of us really believe that Vader or Obi-Wan were that lame at lightsaber dueling just 18 years later?

Originally posted by J.M FcThumbs-Up

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Originally posted by Arsenal
Anakin did way better then him especially if you count the deleted material

I disagree. IMO the Anakin duel was the worst one out of the three. I mean, sure it was very elegant and stylish, but Anakin fought with two lightsabers for less that 5 seconds. Afterwards, he and Dooku were dancing in the dark, and what makes it worse was the fact that the camera was right in their faces for the most part of the fight. All you saw were flashes of blue and red at the edge of the camera screen. Then Anakin, seemingly on purpose, sticks his arm out like a total dumbass and Dooku chops it off. I mean, at least Obi-Wan didn't lose that stupidly. And believe it or not, The Obi-Wan vs. Dooku fight was actually longer than the Anakin vs. Dooku fight. Remember when Obi-Wan commences his duel with Dooku, they fight for about ten seconds and the camera shifted to Padme recovering from her fall? That also counts as part of the fight. It's not like they go on coffee break when they are not under the camera. Plus, I've heard that during that time Obi-Wan was all over Dooku, and when the camera shifted back to the fight, Dooku once again gained the upper hand. I was pissed when I first heard that. Why did they have to take out the parts where Obi-Wan was putting up an awesome fight with Dooku? They could have at least shown the conclusion of Obi-Wan's temporary advantage in the fight.

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Originally posted by Ushgarak

Remember, when first written, Obi-Wan did not die there; there was never any intention to make Vader better. Obi-Wan simply ran out of time, and knew that Luke would never have gotten away if he had stayed.

I dont think so. If you go by what was first written we'd still be talking about Mace Windy & luke Starkiller. Scratch that, we wouldnt have been talking about it at all cause it would have sucked. Revisions are part of the process and all that matters is the finished product. And it seems to me that whole reason for Obi's demise is summed up in the 'if you strike me down...' line. He knew he would be of much more help to Luke on the other side of the force, rather than in flesh & blood. Turns out he was right other wise Luke would have just kept using his computer & never blown up the death star.

Originally posted by bilb
I dont think so. If you go by what was first written we'd still be talking about Mace Windy & luke Starkiller. Scratch that, we wouldnt have been talking about it at all cause it would have sucked. Revisions are part of the process and all that matters is the finished product. And it seems to me that whole reason for Obi's demise is summed up in the 'if you strike me down...' line. He knew he would be of much more help to Luke on the other side of the force, rather than in flesh & blood. Turns out he was right other wise Luke would have just kept using his computer & never blown up the death star.

No, there is a difference; that change was made spontaneously at the last moment. So the therory that these two were well-matched was still firmly in GL's mind at the time.