Finally, tangible PROOF of MACRO-EVOLUTION

Originally posted by The MISTER
You contradict yourself like a steadfast zealot. I'm wrong despite the fact that it's evident that non-living things do not give birth.

People believe that the fact that non-living things do not give birth is the proof that God exists...because he is a living thing and the living things that we know of come from other living things. The complexity of those living and non-living things also lead to the theory that the living creator was as aware of the order of his creation as a watchmaker is aware of what he is creating.

A simple analogy....If you find a jigsaw puzzle box and later on that day you find it opened and assembled then you will KNOW ,not believe, that someone put the puzzle together whether you saw them do it or not. You will not need hard evidence to support something that is extremely obvious to anyone except those in denial. 😮‍💨

What about all the beautiful, complex structure in nature that create themselves? Many of them are far more complex then a jigsaw puzzle, and they create themselves.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, the assembler would not be in an eigenstate? 😛 😂

Originally posted by Mindship
So help me, Lord, one day, I will grok that word.

😆 The word itself is just a mathematical term, but the way that quantum mechanics uses the word is mind boggling. Maybe we will find someone who understands it. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😆 The word itself is just a mathematical term, but the way that quantum mechanics uses the word is mind boggling. Maybe we will find someone who understands it. 😉

Originally posted by Mindship
As best as I can currently figure, it refers to the unchanging state of a vector inherent in the wave function of a quantum system...but that hasn't really gelled in my head yet. Mostly, I'm still stringing together terms I do understand, hoping some gestalt will form.

I think it was Hyperspace by Michio Kaku that first turned me on to the word.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think it was Hyperspace by Michio Kaku that first turned me on to the word.

I wonder how Sagan would've explained it. Though he was an astronomer, not a physicist, Carl could explain anything (*sigh*). I can hear that voice of his going, "i-jinn-state".

Originally posted by Mindship
I just checked the index: nyet. Too bad. I would've liked MK's spin on it, and I don't have any of his other books.

I wonder how Sagan would've explained it. Carl could explain anything (*sigh*). I can hear that voice of his going, "i-junn-state".

Ha ha ha We should go to PMs with this before we get in trouble. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Ha ha ha We should go to PMs with this before we get in trouble. 😄

Originally posted by Mindship
Actually, since the Assembler was not witnessed, it would remain a belief, especially since there is nothing in quantum theory that says such an assembly could not happen on its own. I mean, assuming an Assembler over a quantum fluke would be understandable, but the Assembler's presence would still have been inferred, not directly observed.

Originally posted by The MISTER
You're right. That's very true. Perhaps I do need to accept that I'm assuming after all is said and done. But aren't all of us assuming that the things that we believe and haven't witnessed personally are true?

Dude it's not hard to find micro evo. Just look at dogs and wolves. We took the place of nature and changed them to be specialized. That's evo

Evolution: Caught in the act!

http://io9.com/5703897/australian-skink-is-caught-evolving

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Evolution: Caught in the act!

http://io9.com/5703897/australian-skink-is-caught-evolving

Nah, God made it that way.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, God made it that way.

Curses, foiled again.

Philosophicus was such a ****.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Curses, foiled again.

If aliens were to come down to Earth, and tell us that they have been observing us for the last 250 million years, and gave us absolute proof of evolution, the fundamentalist Christians would ask "why believe aliens that lie to us?". 😐

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If aliens were to come down to Earth, and tell us that they have been observing us for the last 250 million years, and gave us absolute proof of evolution, the fundamentalist Christians would ask "why believe aliens that lie to us?". 😐

But why assume the same of the nice aliens?

Originally posted by The MISTER
And if God came and appeared to each human and explained everything to us, while doing miracles and staying with us for 1000 years you would have some people say that it was mass hypnosis. In 1000 years after he left you would have many that wouldn't believe it ever happened. Humans are skeptical and for good reason. We are aware that humans are deceivers.

I'm sure if that happened, many Christians would reject him, and maybe even crucify him.

Originally posted by 753
But why assume the same of the nice aliens?

I realistically wonder why there's such a shortage of other highly intelligent species. Life strives so hard here it's hard to imagine why the existence seems so void of more like us. I was curious though as to whether alien DNA has ever on meteorites or mars rock samples.