Nick Fury and Punisher don't have the intelligence that Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson has. Bruce and Grayson can both create their own weapons while Punisher relies on armament that NEVER EVER works on other heroes (Auto shotguns, Assault rifles, Submachine guns, Machine pistols). The bat team will hide in the dark like they always do and will easily take out Punisher who can't equal their martial art skills and combat smarts. Nick Fury has skills in espionage but so does BATMAN. Batman is possibly the greatest martial artist in DC while Nick Fury TRAINS with possibly the greatest martial artist in Marvel (Cap'N America). Nightwing vs Nick Fury would be a better matchup in that sense, and Dick Grayson is a lot smarter than Nick.
Pfft. You obviously don't know much about Castle and Fury. Low-level intelligence? Son, intelligence is Fury's job and half of Castle's success is thanks to his brain (read some Ennis-written Punisher for how Castle really rolls).
Batman isn't the greatest DCU martial artist; he's somewhere around 4-6th place. Batman and Nightwing have got the hand-to-hand advantage, but if Castle and Fury get to set up the battlefield, they've got a good chance. Especially when both are extremely skilled marksmen, and even though Batman's suit shouldn't realistically be able to take a straight shot, they're still good enough to tag that chin of his, or the Source forbid, right through eye.
They've got a chance. I'm not going to throw up a W/L ratio, but they've definitely got a chance.
I think it's a pretty low chance though. Batman dodges bullets from the best DC marksmen like a cake walk and he's totally superior in hand to hand. 4th-6th is a good estimation, but Frank and Nick are like top 1000.
I love Ennis written Punisher, his logic is comically flawless. "they say this guy dodged a bullet, let's see if he can dodge 30." The problem is Batman can (and Nightwing is pretty close to Bats.)
What does strength have to do with anything? Both Nick and Punisher are better fighters than Nightwing. Nick's technology is some of the best in the MU.
Fury is also a better strategist than everyone in the fight.
Whoever fights Nightwing, beats him then the two team up on Bats.
Fury and Punisher wins.
Originally posted by jrodslam
What does strength have to do with anything? Both Nick and Punisher are better fighters than Nightwing. Nick's technology is some of the best in the MU.Fury is also a better strategist than everyone in the fight.
Whoever fights Nightwing, beats him then the two team up on Bats.Fury and Punisher wins.
You poor poor soul, I hope you don't really beleive that.
Nightwing is near Bat's level of fighting, which is far above Nick's and Frank's. Sheild tech is good, but the best in the entre MU? A laughable thought.
Fury is not a better strategist than the JLA's field leader. Nightwing might be able to do it by himself.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
You poor poor soul, I hope you don't really beleive that.Nightwing is near Bat's level of fighting, which is far above Nick's and Frank's. Sheild tech is good, but the best in the entre MU? A laughable thought.
Fury is not a better strategist than the JLA's field leader. Nightwing might be able to do it by himself.
First off, if Bats fighting skill is 7 per say, then Nightwing's would be 5. Maybe 6 the most. You may think hes closer because he has more agility than Bats. Bruce would still own him.
Nick Fury is a way better fighter than Nightwing. Plus he has more of an experience edge than both Bats and Nightwing. Fury would school Dick. Punisher beats him too, but in a more difficult fight.
And if you re-read my post. I didnt say Fury's tech was THE best in the MU. I said it was some of the best. He has access to some of the most advance technology in the world. And like Bats hes always prepared.
The better strategist between Bats an Fury can be debatable, but Nightwing doing it by himself? You have much to learn about comics if you think that.
No, If 7 is the highest, then Batman is a seven, and so is Nightwing. Like Captain America, and you're so very full of it if you say that Frank or Nick are on Cap's level.
I re-read you're post, some of the best in the MU is far from true.
You should try reading a comic sometime. Like when Frank kills Nick. More skill my ass.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
No, If 7 is the highest, then Batman is a seven, and so is Nightwing. Like Captain America, and you're so very full of it if you say that Frank or Nick are on Cap's level.I re-read you're post, some of the best in the MU is far from true.
You should try reading a comic sometime. Like when Frank kills Nick. More skill my ass.
Sigh.
If Batman were a seven, Nightwing would not be a seven also. Thats a fact. Batman admitted that Cap would beat him. Nightwing aint beating Cap. And youre saying that Nightwing is on the same fighting level as Captain America? And you say im full of it? Dont insult me sir.
Note. If you read any of my previous posts, I NEVER said that Punisher was on Cap's level. I did say however that Fury wasnt too far behind Cap, which he isnt.
Nick Fury is closer in fighting abilities to Captain America, than Nightwing is to Batman. It woud be like fighting in a mirror. Cap and Fury have been sparring partners since WW2.
If you really believe that S.H.I.E.L.D's tech isnt some of the best inthe MU, then I have nothing more to say to you about that.
In the Fury/Agent 13 two-issue limited series, it is revealed/retconned that the Nick Fury that the Punisher "killed" was a highly-advanced Life Model Decoy designed by Tony Stark (Iron Man), and that Fury was never dead.
Hmmmm.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Sigh.If Batman were a seven, Nightwing would not be a seven also. Thats a fact. Batman admitted that Cap would beat him. Nightwing aint beating Cap. And youre saying that Nightwing is on the same fighting level as Captain America? And you say im full of it? Dont insult me sir.
Note. If you read any of my previous posts, I NEVER said that Punisher was on Cap's level. I did say however that Fury wasnt too far behind Cap, which he isnt.
Nick Fury is closer in fighting abilities to Captain America, than Nightwing is to Batman. It woud be like fighting in a mirror. Cap and Fury have been sparring partners since WW2.
If you really believe that S.H.I.E.L.D's tech isnt some of the best inthe MU, then I have nothing more to say to you about that.
In the Fury/Agent 13 two-issue limited series, it is revealed/retconned that the Nick Fury that the Punisher "killed" was a highly-advanced Life Model Decoy designed by Tony Stark (Iron Man), and that Fury was never dead.
Hmmmm.
Sigh?
Nightwing is very near to Cap's fighting level as he is very near to Batman's. On such an insensitive scale, yes they would both be a seven. On a far more sensitive scale, say 1-100, Batman would be around 97, Nightwing around 94, Cap also around a 97. Your underestimation of Nightwing is sickening.
Batman admitted that Cap "would" beat him? You are sadly mistaken. He said "could" I'm not your 3rd grad grammer teacher so go figure it out.
Fury is nearly identical to Frank in fighting prowess. For someone who claims to know so much about the characters, you should know Frank proved it by killing Fury.
Sheild tech near best in MU? I scoff at you. Let's just forget the skrulls, shi'ar, Thanos, Apocalypse, so on and so forth. You make a bold statement for not having anything to back it up.
And Fury was a Decoy? Sorry, Marvel was on one of there power trips, killing and bringing characters back to life. The Decoy was a sorry excuse.
Nick Fury is a master of hth fight, near equal to Captain America, he's around from WW II, he has fought during Gulf War and Vietnam war, the guy is a soldier for life, a one man army.He's not the leader of the S.H.I.E.L.D. who stay behind the desk and gives order, he's on the battlefield with his men most of times and kicks the ass of Yellow Claw and Hydra on major occasions.Nick has also considerable knowledge of hi-tech weapons, devices and science, he's not a dumb guy with the eyepatch, cigar and big guns.
His accuracy with weapons is also on par with that of Castle, he shooted Spider-Man, he was able to hit him.
The S.H.I.E.L.D. possess several contigency weapons studied to stop metahumans, and Nick has access to all of them, plus he knows almost anything about X-Men, FF4, Avengers, Defenders, and their powers, and his resources are immense.
Punisher has less experience than Fury, but Cap himself stated he's one of the few guys in the world able to keep up with him.
He's a master marksman with fireweapons and hth weapons, a proficient hth fighter, he shooted Spidey more than once, he was able to stab him against a wall with two knives, he's exper in guerrilla tactics, espionage, etc., he's a one man army as the old Nick.
Nightwing has less experience than the two guys above, Nightwing hasn't got the killer instinct, and is not a brutal fighter with skills and those two are.
Batman master martial artist, Batman master of prep time, Batman can enter in your mind and stop you.
Actually, Batman was beaten from enemies with less experience and skill than Fury and Castle, Prometheus anyone?
And Cap beat the crap outta Prometheus.