Originally posted by Kento
Cause people don't use crossovers as references to strength, and speed.And Wonder Woman is able to keep up with Flash's speed in a fight. She did so while blind. She fought Doomsday, and lost. If she would of had the speed advantage don'tcha think she woulda used it. Superman would have used it also but he didn't.
At the very least Superman would have during the last two battles if Wonder Woman wouldn't have.
Wonder Woman was able to predict Flash's attacks in a fight? Doesn't mean she's faster than him. How often do you actually see Superman or Wonder Woman fighting at Superspeed? They rarely use their speed for anything but travel.
As I said in the beginning, Doomsday beat Wonder Woman for the same reason he beat the entire GL corps, and the JLA. Not saying that he couldn't defeat her, but it wouldn't matter if it were Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, or Hal Jordan. The entire JLA was going to lose because of one reason. The Death of Superman.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeYet how much does Flash use his speed in a fight? And blind Wonder Woman beat Flash along with the rest of the JLA minus Batman, and Superman.
Wonder Woman was able to predict Flash's attacks in a fight? Doesn't mean she's faster than him. How often do you actually see Superman or Wonder Woman fighting at Superspeed? They rarely use their speed for anything but travel.As I said in the beginning, Doomsday beat Wonder Woman for the same reason he beat the entire GL corps, and the JLA. Not saying that he couldn't defeat her, but it wouldn't matter if it were Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, or Hal Jordan. The entire JLA was going to lose because of one reason. The Death of Superman.
And Superman uses his speed when he can't overpower an opponent. Like against Mongul, and Bizarro during the arc when Manchest Black tells Supes villains to attack the ones closest to Clark.
Originally posted by KentoBut not against Ultraman? Superman wasn't really using his speed in the Doomsday battle. He was slugging it out.
Yet how much does Flash use his speed in a fight? And blind Wonder Woman beat Flash along with the rest of the JLA minus Batman, and Superman.And Superman uses his speed when he can't overpower an opponent. Like against Mongul, and Bizarro during the arc when Manchest Black tells Supes villains to attack the ones closest to Clark.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeUltraman = Superman in everyway. He doesn't have superior speed. I said if he has the speed advantage he'd use it.
But not against Ultraman? Superman wasn't really using his speed in the Doomsday battle. He was slugging it out.
And he wasn't exactly slugging it out in Hunter/Prey or Doomsday Wars.
K nobody should ever use crossovers because they are simply crap. and i dont wanna hear excuses, about depowered meant. Crap fights i actually downloaded some old comics threw bearshare. if someone can tell me how 2 save individual pages on adobe i can post the fights up.
anyways
Batman, vs hulk this is plain garbage, batman is not faster than hulk, gas isnt working on hulk, and batman hitting hulk, hulk isnt going to feel it.
Spiderman laying the smackdown on superman, nuffsaid
venom laying the smackdown on supes, shouldnt have happened
Bishop giving martianmanhunter a run for his money, manhunter should have flattened him
wonderwoman vs storm ww would destroyed storm
lobo woulda crushed wolverine
Spiderman would beaten batman
Captain america giving aquaman trouble? aquaman would cream him
jean grey kicking supes ass?
wonderwoman vs Juggernaut- what a travisty this is, Juggernaut would cream her
Thor vs superman - superman shoulda went down
Superman vs hulk fights, the older fights were better, a good fight that was wasted
Superman vs Juggernaut, and awesome fight they coulda had,, but it was cut short.
X-men vs JLa JLA shoulda smoked the x-men.
these crossovers are garbage
anyways doomsday, Juggernaut, Hulk are all in the same league of strength with Hulk potentially being the strongest. Doomsday loses bad. sides after he dies once, fight is over
Originally posted by Kento
Ultraman = Superman in everyway. He doesn't have superior speed. I said if he has the speed advantage he'd use it.And he wasn't exactly slugging it out in Hunter/Prey or Doomsday Wars.
Somewhat true. But no character uses all of their abilities all the time.
However, in the Death of Superman, Superman was trading punches with Doomsday.
When was Doomsday keeping up with Flash?
ok...derrick you are infact dumb......that's that.....
one: doomsday was called faster than flash by booster gold not blue beetle.....but if that's not enough........he beat up guy garner with one arm tied behind his back before guy could even defend himself...EVEN though it was GUY who attacked...and attacked from behind at that! THEN after the justice league poured everything they had into him....doomsday resolved to attack them so fast that they couldn't even move out of the way.....NONE OF THEM....
his hands are quick enough to catch both the radiant....and superman in midflight by their ankles....he was so fast that he pulled out a sword from his side, grabbed superman by the arm and broke it before superman could even react....He was able to tie up dianas feet in her OWN lasso before she could do anything in defense, then swing her around and launch her into flash head on (who was coming up full speed behind them)...aside from those...he literally jumped into the cockpit of a jet fighter that was passing overhead....if these aren't good enough examples of his speed I don't know what to tell you....
second: throughout the entirety of the death of superman.....we see. maxima hit doomsday twice....she sends him flying on both occasions......does that mean she was gonna win? NO! was she gonna come close? HELL NO! in turn we see doomsday use bloodwind as a club to smack maxima with, we see doomsday dodge her punch while superman's trying to choke him out from behind resulting in her hitting supes instead, we see doomsday cream her with a punch and then slam a van on her head....then we see her get pissed rip a light fixture out of the ground next to a gas pump resulting in an emmense explosion.....maxima gets knocked the **** out and suffers a concussion to boot......doomsday walks away laughing........yeah she really beat the breaks out of him didn't she? where did you pick that up from anyways? i've seen you use the term about 12 times and I'm already sick of it!
third:for as much trash as juggy was talking....warpath was talking smack right back.....oh well nice try anyways.....oh and despite his strength....warpath got a beatdown in a h2h fight against wolverine....hmmmmm I'll just let you bask in the ambience for a while...
fourth: doomsday survives the force of a million nuclear bombes going off at once.......and got back up laughing and trying to kill superman all over again....Hulk can't do that.....even meastro hulk ran like hell to find cover from a nuke (was it three?) that was dropping over head....he knew he wasn't gonna just "be okay" after that....doomsday on the other hand...."HAHAHAHA" <---direct quote
fifth: doomsday's been in like what now? 6 story archs overall? maybe 8......he doesn't have the 60+ years that hulk has had to show feats of strength....but when you're a guy that beat the crap outa an ENHANCED superman using just brute strength alone...and you did it easily.....very very easily.....you really don't need feats of strength to back it up.... but....doomsday was killing litterally hundreds....yeah that right hundreds....of cogs in action comics a month ago....HUNDREDS of guys on a supe's like level.....and he was just having fun......
sixth:like it was stated before....doomsday gets stronger too.....first punch against supes did nothin...nothing...no...thing......but the second one knocked the wind out of him and sent him flying....every one after that ......well supes died...you figure it out..... aside from that doomsday has been beaten by physical force...what does hulk have and is limited to?
seventh: MY DAMN GOD!!!!! IF I have to tell you that superman was depowered during his venom fight ONE MORE TIME, I'm gonna hunt you down and staple ultimate access to your forehead so you don't forget it or neglect it again!
eighth: everyone's spacing out doomsday's poision....it's enough to slow superman down who has for all intents and purposes a healing factor with mother box's help.....he can do the same to the hulk....before killing him....
<<seventh: MY DAMN GOD!!!!! IF I have to tell you that superman was depowered during his venom fight ONE MORE TIME, I'm gonna hunt you down and staple ultimate access to your forehead so you don't forget it or neglect it again!>>
well, that's a little harsh jinzin, but let's not lose sight of the big picture here . . .
praise the lord we are finally in agreement on something!!! you raised practically every point i did - well, minus the stapling issue. i still think however it would be a closer fight than you seem to think, but yes, doomsday certainly has the ability to beat them both.
now, if you tell me wolverine can beat doomsday . . .
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Cuby old buddy is this a meeting of the minds
Originally posted by derrick24
good post cosmic cube.
Regards your old buddy Whirly, hey and please, please , please tell him what comics like Shade, Swampthing, Sandman, Miracleman are to comics fans he has not heard of them. Please educate your young padawan learner 😄
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube😐 I was reading a few of the Hulk comics I got. He's been beaten as Savage Hulk. Got his neck broken, and KO'ed...Least from what I gathered he was KO'ed cause what else would make Hulk stop cause a broken neck for him would heal quite fast. And it was all physical strength.
Juggernaut chokes out the Professor Hulk. Dr. Octopus has done the same. Superman knocked out the Professor with two punches. His durability sucks ass.I'm assuming this is Savage Hulk in this fight, who has yet to be knocked unconscious by a purely physical opponent.
He's certainly not a non-factor. He's the greater factor.