Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
"It ain't what'cha do its the way that you do it...."Besides in those countries the majority of people there opposed the invasion of Iraq, mainly because of the flimsy, fabricated evidence to support going in.
How about the popular concencous over in the states....?
The average Joe's opinion...?
I don't think you'll find an American (aside from Napalm) who is happy to see the United States go to war in Iraq.
At the time of the war most of the country was under the impression that the intelligence gathered by our government was legitament. So support for the war was like 50/50.
After all of this, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country is opposed to the war...but the general concencus feel we need to stay in there until the job is done.
I'd like to think that a war with Iran would bring out this generation's version of the 70's style protesting.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
I don't think you'll find an American (aside from Napalm) who is happy to see the United States go to war in Iraq.At the time of the war most of the country was under the impression that the intelligence gathered by our government was legitament. So support for the war was like 50/50.
After all of this, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the country is opposed to the war...but the general concencus feel we need to stay in there until the job is done.
I'd like to think that a war with Iran would bring out this generation's version of the 70's style protesting.
Man, thats real good to hear... There may be some hope yet...
As I said before, screw Bush's goreverment, but we love you guys-
The PEOPLE of America.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I don't know if that will happen. Today too many people are to jaded to think that they can make a difference. And alot of other people just don't care anymore.
That'd be real sad if is were true.
Sure. Apathy is a real tempting drug to get into in the face of adversity and the illusion of powerlessness. But for the hopes of mankind and this big old ball we call Earth I hope we can kick the habit.
If you guys impeached Clinton, then how come no-one's attempted to do that with Bush....?
Protestors are not idiots they let the people know the validity of their own concerns about certain matters....That they are not alone hopefully inspiring hope among the populous.
(Even if "Those in charge" don't listen...)
Remember the brave sacrifice of the people of Tianomon(Sp?) square..?
It may've been a slaughter, but the world was awakened to the plight of the Chinese people there....
London saw a record turnout of people protesting against invading Iraq,
and im real proud of that, cause, even if that Knob Balir illegally involved us in this whole illegal fiasco, then its good that the people of the world know that the actions or one brownnoser do not speak for us all, if anything....
And MANY of them ARE politically active...
Tony Blair has never had such a (rightfully) hard time of it.....
BTW.. On tv just now it has just been revealed that Downing Street falsified the statement that the parliment mostly backed action the legal side of it all had been bullshit and pushed through by (Presumably)Blair's cronies....
Give him time.
I'm wondering what will happen to Bush and his office if they have to resort to the draft. I'm sure the whole country would get off their ass and protest to that. And opposition to the draft would get a lot of support.
Personally, if the US has a draft, I'm just flat out refusing to go. Arrest me, stick me in an entournment camp...whatever they want. If I'm taking up arms it will be to protect my life and defend my country.....not to pick on other countries.
Well I didn't say it isn't a strong device but I don't like it. Its something different if you are in a country that opresses youj but you have the freedom to speak in my country you could write to a newspaper, you can become part of a political party, you have many options, but for me at least the protests that go on in my country are by left wing socialists without work that just think its cool to do ( they interviewed 3-4 people of the protests today and they had no clue what they were talking aboot just "Bush is bad" great arguement dumbass) What the people in China did or also in East Germany on the other hand is admirabnle, stupid but admirable.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Give him time.I'm wondering what will happen to Bush and his office if they have to resort to the draft. I'm sure the whole country would get off their ass and protest to that. And opposition to the draft would get a lot of support.
Personally, if the US has a draft, I'm just flat out refusing to go. Arrest me, stick me in an entournment camp...whatever they want. If I'm taking up arms it will be to protect my life and defend my country.....not to pick on other countries.
I agree with everything that you have just said...!
And Good man, Link I (And many others in this world) well and truly salute your ethics on this...!! ✅
I love it when people who have no understanding of the UN dismiss it's relevance! It's so ridiculous...If you have any grasp of international diplomacy and international law, then you will never underplay the significance of the UN. It is vital.
As for Bush, it's not really a suprise that he says things like that any more...No matter where he is or what he is speaking about, he always uses the platform to turn in a few more references about Iraq and the promotion of freedom. It's what American voters see as his 'steadfastness' - other people see it as belligerence masked as political opportunism.
Of course, the US has no right to prescribe the political persuasions of any country other than it's own. That power is for the people to dictate and real international coalitions to help render.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i hate to say it but bush will probably be america's undoing
how can people believe that? I mean yeah he is a bad president, but people make his term out to be the worst thing to happen in the worlds history. you know veitnam was much much worse for America than Iraq, maybe not globally but at home it tore the country apart. America survived Veitnam. I believe that bush will probably one day be looked up to for what he is doing. you know how history gets misconstrued. I am sure things will only get better in Iraq after getting worse. Soon after bushs term someone will come in and with time the mess will be cleaned up and the country will have some form of goverment. either that or this will be remembered in history as a grand idea to liberate a country. History always gets turned ass around like that.
One good thing out of Iraq was the voting that occured. I think that is inspiring. More than half of the country turned out to vote, while under threat of death. that is a nice example of how strong the idea of freedom can be. I also think that Bushs statement of it being peoples duty to spread freedom was just his way of making up for his previous statements of, your either with us or your against us, oh...and that other one...America doesnt need the rest of the worlds authority to take Iraq. LOL Of course he could just apologize and withdraw his terror machine out of everyones ass and let the healing of Iraq and America begin, but he is of course a christian texan. 😛