Originally posted by Bardock42What do you think Raz is going to do, really?
There are more options. If you are unhappy with something on the forums you should PM Raz about it, for example.
Originally posted by RobtardAt everyone who is making such a fuss about all this. Maybe WD made a mistake, maybe he didn't, but he did not deserve the treatment he received. I know that for sure.
Was that directed at me?
Originally posted by Bardock42
What behaviour is that referring to exactly. It's a bit vague.And I guess we are not allowed to discuss the decisions WD made in public, so I won't bother replying to those statements, but there are a few things that are ... fishy.
It was referring to the public (and private) attacks made against WD after the bans. That's what he was disgusted with.
Originally posted by Bardock42
There are more options. If you are unhappy with something on the forums you should PM Raz about it, for example.
Respectfully, yes. Some didn't adhere to that though, which was the problem. WD deciding to leave because of the criticism sets a dangerous precedent for those who now feel vindicated in having driven him out because of the abuse.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
It was referring to the public (and private) attacks made against WD after the bans. That's what he was disgusted with.Respectfully, yes. Some didn't adhere to that though, which was the problem. WD deciding to leave because of the criticism sets a dangerous precedent for those who now feel vindicated in having driven him out because of the abuse.
It's just vague, do I have to consider myself in them, because, as far as I can tell I have not attacked WD (on the contrary really).
I didn't really more than a few personal attacks on him, I believe it should have been dealt with just like with any other member that attacks another member. What I think is not dangerous though is the ability of members to voice their opinions on certain situations...I believe WD did quite a few things wrong lately, and I think if he decides to step down because of the negative feelings that has created it is a very admirable step. Again, I don't think it is wrong to voice your opinion on a subject, in the long run it can make KMC a more enjoyable experience for everyone involved.
Originally posted by Les yeux clos
What do you think Raz is going to do, really?
Are you asking what I would do if I was Raz or what I wish he'd do? Or what I expect Raz to do?
And again ,it is so vague, what is that exact treatment WD received. I don't think we should pretend he s an innocent victim here, I don't see that at all, if someone can point it out to me I'd welcome it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, she is not. It is a false dilemma, as i already pointed out. If you are dissatissfied with the situation on the board try to change it, as many have done before. (leaving as well as moaning seem the two worst options, in fact).
aren't you one of the people who whined about wd?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Respectfully, yes. Some didn't adhere to that though, which was the problem. WD deciding to leave because of the criticism sets a dangerous precedent for those who now feel vindicated in having driven him out because of the abuse.
There is no precedent set, as members will probably just be outright banned if they voice a negative opinion of a Mod's actions in the future, which is sad in of itself.
As far as WD stepping down because of the criticism, that was solely his choice, he wasn't forced in any which way or form, as he could have just taken that criticism in a constructive manner and applied it to future moddings.
Originally posted by Raoul
oh, i'm just curious, is all...from what i've seen, too many people jumped all over wd for a couple of bannings he made when they shouldn't have... don't recall if you're one of them, hence me asking...
I was and am personally offended for the way he banned xyz and me. I think TH had it coming. I think chill was an overreaction but understandable. I don't think I have whined about either though. I do believe that WD thinks that I tried to gang up on him, he made it perfectly clear in PMs, I feel it is not true, though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I was and am personally offended for the way he banned xyz and me. I think TH had it coming. I think chill was an overreaction but understandable. I don't think I have whined about either though. I do believe that WD thinks that I tried to gang up on him, he made it perfectly clear in PMs, I feel it is not true, though.
if you didn't, then you didn't... but why so offended? anyone can be banned if they break the rules... are you saying you didn't?
Originally posted by RaoulYes, I am saying that. And a few other things, but I don't think I should go into it without permission from a Global Mod, so I will not.
if you didn't, then you didn't... but why so offended? anyone can be banned if they break the rules... are you saying you didn't?
If WD wants to step down as Mod, I think he should. Personally I think it is a good decision.
Originally posted by Bardock42Either/or.
Are you asking what I would do if I was Raz or what I wish he'd do? Or what I expect Raz to do?And again ,it is so vague, what is that exact treatment WD received. I don't think we should pretend he s an innocent victim here, I don't see that at all, if someone can point it out to me I'd welcome it.
I'd say the thread you made was a pretty good example of the treatment he received. It was extremely underhand, passive aggressive, and constructed so that you can claim it was simply serving as a reminder to members to act if they are dissatisfied rather than to drive WD and make this far more of an issue than it needed to be. If people objected to his actions, they should have the sense to PM Raz, one of the other moderators, or WD himself, rather than needing a thread to encourage them to do it.
I'm not saying that the moderators on here are always right. They're not, but in the end they're just members who are working to keep KMC in order, they're perfectly capable of making mistakes and I think a little understanding for the fact that being a staff member on a board like this is extremely hard is needed.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I am saying that. And a few other things, but I don't think I should go into it without permission from a Global Mod, so I will not.If WD wants to step down as Mod, I think he should. Personally I think it is a good decision.
i don't think he should, as i personally think he's one of the better globals, but thats just imo... if he decides different, i won't agree, but i'll support him...
and iirc, you've been banned twice before for similar reasons... were they wrong too? or just this one?
Good Lord, Robtard, you implying what you said to WD was constructive is so damn close to trolling that I am tempted to ban you now for it, not to mention your insistence on getting in that line about hypocrisy. You had better be extremely careful about how you post for a long time- the thread you made was outrageous.
What I will do, however, is shut down this conversation. It serves no further purpose other than to widen the confrontation.
Do not talk further about any of these issues. I'll close this thread if people do. If you have any questions, PM me. I'll handle it in private.
The sad truth is- poster behaviour when it comes to discussing banning issues has been so appalling that a blanket ban on it had to be applied. I'll remind everyone that it is Raz who applied that ban. So that's that.