Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yet even science has proven there is a God, they called it the Higgs Boson aka "the God particle."
God is generally thought of as a sentient thinking being.
Are you saying that boson particles are thinking entities?
They could be as there are many within each human mind and that fits in well with my Gnostic Christian theology that says that we all have a spark of God within us and that we are all God WIPs.
Works in progress.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Let me ask you this then.If God did returned while you were alive, what would you say then?
Stephen Fry answers this question well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo&feature=em-hot
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
God did create us to be perfect but also with a choice..That man is being selfish in his own regard for wanting it all.
We arn't God and we were never supposed to be.
I mean blaming him for children bone cancer? Might as well blame him for people raping children.
Who are you talking to? Are you replying to a post? Otherwise, I think you are off topic.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
God did create us to be perfect but also with a choice..That man is being selfish in his own regard for wanting it all.
We arn't God and we were never supposed to be.
I mean blaming him for children bone cancer? Might as well blame him for people raping children.
Choice? We do not have the choice of not sinning. God made us with a default setting that says we must sin and for him to punish us is quite un-just.
Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.
Quite simple and irrefutable really.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Choice? We do not have the choice of not sinning. God made us with a default setting that says we must sin and for him to punish us is quite un-just.Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.
Quite simple and irrefutable really.
God didn't program Eve to make a certain choice under peer pressure. He programmed her with free will, meaning that she would always have a choice.
If God didn't care for man's free will then he wouldn't have planet the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to begin with, but then man wouldn't have had a way to to rebel against him thus compromising their free will.
Originally posted by Astner
You seem to have a very limited understanding of contemporary theology.God didn't program Eve to make a certain choice under peer pressure. He programmed her with free will, meaning that she would always have a choice.
If God didn't care for man's free will then he wouldn't have planet the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to begin with, but then man wouldn't have had a way to to rebel against him thus compromising their free will.
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You have God gifting man with a fruit of knowledge to eat, yet the first time they ate he proceeded to kill then by neglect and forcibly keeping them from the tree of life.
You say they had free will, yet the first time they exercised their will and not God's will, he threw his murderous fit against them.
Do some thinking and recognize that man becoming as Gods, God's own words in Genesis, is a good thing just as the Jews thought it was before Christianity stupidly reversed the moral of man's elevation as seen by the Jews who wrote the myth, to a fall immorally designed by Christianity to create false guilt.
Note that Jews do not have the immoral Original Sin concept that Christianity immorally invented to bring in the cash.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/20/comparative-theodicy/
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
You have God gifting man with a fruit of knowledge to eat, yet the first time they ate he proceeded to kill then by neglect and forcibly keeping them from the tree of life.You say they had free will, yet the first time they exercised their will and not God's will, he threw his murderous fit against them.
If you're a sinner you deserve to die.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Do some thinking and recognize that man becoming as Gods, God's own words in Genesis,
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Note that Jews do not have the immoral Original Sin concept that Christianity immorally invented to bring in the cash.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Choice? We do not have the choice of not sinning. God made us with a default setting that says we must sin and for him to punish us is quite un-just.Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.
That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."
But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.
If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.
Quite simple and irrefutable really.
Regards
DL
Except he didn't create us to be God. It even explains why he had to drive Adam and Eve out of Eden, because after they sinned, if they ate from the tree of life after they ate from the tree of good we would become Gods.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕Wait a minute ... what WOULD you say to Santa Claus?
I thought it was obvious, however, I will try to help you.
As an adult, you realize that all of the gifts you received during Christmas were given to you by your friends and family. Not a signal gift came from Santa Claus. As a Buddhist, I realize that I am responsible for all things in my life (good and bad), and nothing in my life is because of a fictitious god.
Originally posted by Astner
Yes, because the wage of sin is death as Romans 6:23 teaches.If you're a sinner you deserve to die.
That was the serpent's words, not God's.
The Bible is very specific in that you can't pay for your sin, and that the belief in Jesus Christ is the only way into heaven. So how does this condition people to give away their money?
So to accept what you say was a gift from God, is a sin. Strange.
What sin have you done that is worthy of your death and why is accepting God's gift a sin?
The words I speak of were God's so stop your lying about the serpent because to your immoral view, that deserves death. Read Genesis for the first time or back your lie with a quote to prove it true.
As to your immoral use of Jesus as your scapegoat whipping boy, care to argue the morality of that vile notion?
If so, I am here for that.
Human sacrifice is evil and your God demanding one and accepting one is evil.
You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.
Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.
Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?
In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.
Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?
For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.
Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Do you agree?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Except he didn't create us to be God. It even explains why he had to drive Adam and Eve out of Eden, because after they sinned, if they ate from the tree of life after they ate from the tree of good we would become Gods.
Are we not all children of God?
As above, so below.
Are you a parent?
Do you want your children to always be less than what you are or do you wish that they equal of better whatever you are?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
So to accept what you say was a gift from God, is a sin. Strange.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
What sin have you done that is worthy of your death
Originally posted by Greatest I am
The words I speak of were God's
Originally posted by Greatest I am
As to your immoral use of Jesus as your scapegoat whipping boy, care to argue the morality of that vile notion?
Originally posted by Greatest I am
You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.
Originally posted by Astner
We weren't given sin, we were given the free will to sin.Any sin is punishable by death.
Not according to the Bible.
Morality is defined by God according to Christianity, that's why it's referred to as absolute morality. So there is nothing debate.
How about you explain it?
What morality do you hold? Are you a utilitarian? A consequentialist? A deontologist?
We were speaking of what you said was God's gift. Knowledge, not sin. Either you are trying to deflect or are just not tracking the discussion. I do not like taking the time to just correct such things and f I sense that you are being an ass hole I will ignore you.
If all sin is punishable by death, what happened to the scriptures that say that justice should be more like an eye for an eye?
Further on this. As above so below.
God is supposed to return to rule the earth. Should every small infraction be replied to with death from God when he rules here?
Do you think that to be good justice?
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Again you force me to do your leg work and again I say that if you persist in being an ass hole, I will ignore you.
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
The words I speak of were God's
Your reply -- Not according to the Bible.
The issue was who said they became as Gods.
Gen 3;22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Recant your lie about the serpent please .
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When you do, I will see that you are worth my time and respond to the rest.
If not, then you show your lack of morals and there is no point in my addressing the rest.
Regards
DL