Originally posted by jaden101
in your own tiny mind. lets look at the crux of your argument"respect my authority"
Noticed the quotation marks. Wanna show me where I said that or are you assuming it to aid yourself? I don't give the impression of authority so you must have viewed me as having authority. Thank you.
Originally posted by jaden101
AC...the man/boy who considers himself to be the font of all musical knowledge yet doesn't put anything over than his own opinion...take it to be as valid or invalid as anyone elses...yet he himself seems to think it is and all should bow before his wisdom
No I don't consider myself to be the font of all musical knowledge. You're making assumption after assumption and it's making you look silly. Over? You mean other, right? Why on Earth would I post anything other than my own opinion? I speak for me, not for anyone else. Such an illogical point. That last line, I don't think that. Must be you, so thanks.
Originally posted by jaden101
where is you argument exactly? ive never seen you be FOR anything...you just try to slate everyone else
This happens on EVERY forum here. When people can say no more on topic, after I smash it, they try to make things personal. Sad.
Originally posted by jaden101
ive given you that facts of the matter...the best...the most popular...the best selling albums of 2005 and not one of them by tool or any other metal band
Hahaha such a corporate follower. Why does what's popular equate to being what's good? It's March. Best selling albums of 05 doesn't even count yet, let alone the fact that it doesn't MEAN anything. You posted the lists from indie and general magazines, then try to show how there's no metal? The best album of 04 across the board was Mastodon, a metal band.
Tool haven't put out an album since 01, keep up to date. Oh and even then, with no promotion, they managed album of the year in mostly credible magazines across the board. The top reviewer in Kerrang AND Metal Hammer rated it the best. With the quote "There could only ever be one winner". This was a year regarded as the best year for Rock in decades, and Tool topped it. Anything else to say or are you gonna realise that you've been silenced?
Originally posted by jaden101
thats not a coincidence...they dont sell because they are shit and people dont like them
Why is making money an issue? This is about talent, not popularity.
Britney Spears is richer than any of the bands you like, probably has more fans. Is she better?
Originally posted by jaden101
oh right...I respond to YOU...yet im the one thats going off topic...how does that work?
Because besides this post, you haven't made an actual on topic post yet. That's how. Keep up please.
-AC
Originally posted by jaden101
you can be as skilled as you like
Apparently not. Funny pic wasn't it? Ten most ridiculous? Haha. There are some clowns in metal aren't there.
OK, back to the actual debate.
NME and Q are literally the worst musical sources in the country. Fashion-led, trend-fellating morons.
Noticed the quotation marks. Wanna show me where I said that or are you assuming it to aid yourself? I don't give the impression of authority so you must have viewed me as having authority. Thank you.
no...you just remind me of cartman from south park
Kerrang AND Metal Hammer
You posted the lists from metal magazines
will a tiny change to your quote ,see how easy it is to turn your argument on its head...
now go home and get your ****ing shine box
Originally posted by jaden101
no...you just remind me of cartman from south parkwill a tiny change to your quote ,see how easy it is to turn your argument on its head...
now go home and get your ****ing shine box
Nice try there.
I never posted that about the magazines as if they were authorative, I was merely showing you that in relation to you saying that Tool hadn't had anything in the top draw. They haven't had anything out since 01, a year in which they topped critics lists as the best album of the year by FAR.
By no means is that authoritive (despite them being two of the more respected mags) that's just their opinion, an opinion I share. It does however, prove that you are wrong. You quote popularity lists and hope that they are accepted as fact.
Your lack of knowledge once again leaves you on the end of a sound whooping.
Now chill your temper out, calm yourself down. Try again.
Why are you telling me to go home? Where are you assuming I type from? Am I seriously gonna have to continue putting you out?
If you have nothing to say regarding the topic, then say nothing. You've attacked my debate and failed. Attacked me and failed. Is there anything you're not failing at?
-AC
im not failing at making your arguments look like that of a 10 year old...but then i guess that you are doing a good enough job of that on your own
you dont even have the general knowlege or humour to even know where the shine box comment came from cause if you did then you would have rad it for the joke that it is
seriously though AC...this is getting boring...it was fun for a couple of pages but schooling you in the fine arts of music is like pulling teeth
im sure one day you'll let go of your hate and embrace proper music
until then...you keep on fighting your losing battle and i'll keep on listening to good music
adios amigo
i want to go back to this comment
I'm not ignorant. Arrogant? Yes. Ignorant? No.
what do the metallica lyrics go like again?
oh yes
BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME TAKE A LOOK AT YOU
CAN´T YOU FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO
POINT THE FINGER,SLOW TO UNDERSTAND
ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE GO HAND IN HAND
Originally posted by jaden101
im not failing at making your arguments look like that of a 10 year old...but then i guess that you are doing a good enough job of that on your own
Yes, yes you are. You've tried debating on topic and failed. Tried running it into insults, failed. Tried taking it into another thread, failed.
Originally posted by jaden101
you dont even have the general knowlege or humour to even know where the shine box comment came from cause if you did then you would have rad it for the joke that it is
I READ it for the joke that it was, it could be nothing more than a joke. I just turned it back on you. Don't hide it. Once again talking about NOTHING to do with the debate coz you can't.
Originally posted by jaden101
seriously though AC...this is getting boring...it was fun for a couple of pages but schooling you in the fine arts of music is like pulling teeth
Funny because the last two quotes or indeed posts, have been nothing to do with debating music. Just trying to catch me out, which you are failing very miserably at. You don't like me, you don't like my style, tough shit. You can't attack my debates, so you attack me. You fail there and then try ripping me off to look good. Sad.
Originally posted by jaden101
im sure one day you'll let go of your hate and embrace proper music
Hate? What hate? I hate MAYBE 3 people. You're nothing but a screen name to me. Proper music? What? Like Scissor Sisters? Hahaha. No no, Bloc Party? Hahaha.
Originally posted by jaden101
until then...you keep on fighting your losing battle and i'll keep on listening to good music
What LOSING battle? Infact, what battle? This has been about as much a battle as Roy Jones Jr vs Pee Wee Herman, with me being RJJ.
Originally posted by jaden101
adios amigoi want to go back to this comment
what do the metallica lyrics go like again?
oh yes
BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME TAKE A LOOK AT YOU
CAN´T YOU FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO
POINT THE FINGER,SLOW TO UNDERSTAND
ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE GO HAND IN HAND
Adios.......then continue? Diss Metal but quote a METAL band? Two contradictions in one quote. A record even for you.
Exactly right. I'm arrogant, I back it up. Why? Because people like you take tiny little jabs at me, unaware that I have the power to swing a one punch debate knockout. I have done so. You keep getting up and I'll keep knocking you back down.
I think it's sad that you've deteriorated this musical "debate" to attacking me. Failing at both.
Sad. Read the first two lines of that song.
-AC
well id be happy to debate the music with you...but seeing as you havent put any points across beyond the guy from radiohead getting a loan of an orchestra...how am i supposed to debate music...when you refuse to do so
the argument "they are shit because i say so" isnt a debate...but its all you've done the entire thread
Originally posted by jaden101
well id be happy to debate the music with you...but seeing as you havent put any points across beyond the guy from radiohead getting a loan of an orchestra...how am i supposed to debate music...when you refuse to do so
You have put out "I'm right, you're wrong. Bloc Party are magnificent and Metal is shit" and each time I've proven you wrong to the point that you insult me.
I created a thread to debate about music with you, you chose to insult me in it and chicken out. What's up with that then? You have nothing to say, that's what's up. You have nothing to back up what you say, I've backed up my words. Do the same or do nothing.
Originally posted by jaden101
the argument "they are shit because i say so" isnt a debate...but its all you've done the entire thread
Coming from a guy who has made his entire run in this thread about "I'm better than you, fact. Tool are shit and Bloc Party are magnificent, fact. I'm right, you're wrong, fact" I would say you're in no position to make that claim.
Such a hypocrite. When I say that, I back it up or I don't say it's a fact if it's an opinion. You have done.
Try again. Actually........wait........do you honestly believe you are doing well?
-AC
Hahahaha, how insanely perceptive.
I've backed up my opinion when you've called it into question. To back YOURSELF up, you post lists of what's popular (when that's not even involved, nor does it matter) and then walk away saying "I'm right, fact".
You're not. You made the single most ridiculous claim in this forum and have spoke so much tripe it's unbelievable.
"Metal is 100% shit, hasn't changed in 20 years. I'm better than you, fact. I'm right, you're wrong, fact."
You can't do what I do without backing it up. Come into the Metal thread and lets debate (albeit shortly) about music then.
Are you gonna prove you can back up what you say or are you gonna resort to "Nah, I'm right, fact"?
-AC
I cant believe i have lowered myself to argue with the most arrogant people ever.... i thought i was mature enough to appreciate other peoples opinions and their musical choices, and i am... but when people pick at bands that i like and dont let go or are able to let people like what they want, i kinda cant escape. But i think im going to, im gonna agree to disagree, you hate indie. Fine. You dont like keane or Libertines or anything like that. Fine. But dont go on about them anymore cos it isnt fair.
I've backed up my opinion when you've called it into question. To back YOURSELF up, you post lists of what's popular (when that's not even involved, nor does it matter) and then walk away saying "I'm right, fact".
where have i posted a "most popular" list
2 of the lists i posted were "best album" lists
and i dont see any mention of mastadon anywhere
funny that...innit?
Originally posted by jaden101
where have i posted a "most popular" list2 of the lists i posted were "best album" lists
and i dont see any mention of mastadon anywhere
funny that...innit?
Firstly it's Mastodon. No excuse for ignorance.
Secondly don't try and weasel out of the fact that you admittedly showed me a most popular list and tried to say that it was the best. Don't believe me?
Originally posted by jaden101
ive given you that facts of the matter...the best...the most popular...the best selling albums of 2005 and not one of them by tool or any other metal band
Well well well. What does being popular or best selling have to do with anything? That's what those lists are. They aren't the best because the albums contained therein, AREN'T the best.
FACT is, Mastodon DID get rated best album of the year by many Rock, Metal and General music magazines. Opinion? Yes. Fact that Metal is recognised? Yes.
I suggest you do some research my friend. Might wanna quit that whole hypocricy/contradiction thing you have going on too.
-AC
http://relapse.com/preview/Mastodon_Kerrang.jpg
Mastodon (a Metal band who according to you never get any recognition because they're shit) being called the best band on the planet.
"Groundbreaking...an ominous flex of metallic muscle" - TERRORIZER
"awe-inspiring" - ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY
"fantastic...incredible...MASTODON has nearly mastered rock dynamics" - THE NEW YORK TIMES
"Devastating" - ROLLING STONE
"The World's mightiest metal band" - KERRANG!
"the new century's headbangers-to-beat." - SPIN
"Leviathan" is a must-have for any fan of complex, heavy music." - BILLBOARD
"unstoppable" - ALTERNATIVE PRESS
"Goodbye METALLICA hello MASTODON" - ROCK SOUND
Such an unrecognised genre, an uncredited band, right?
Sources: The actual sites and here http://www.mastodonrocks.com/
Also on that site you can read the awards section, where it says they won album of the year 04.
Now, none of that matters to me. I couldn't care less what critical acclaim gets bestowed upon the bands I love. Lists aren't official. However, I'm showing you that not only is your claim of "Metal is shit and hasn't changed ever" complete shit, but you claim that Metal isn't recognised is also complete tripe.
Posting lists means jack shit. You posted the best selling and most popular. I didn't, I posted opinions of critics and (mostly) credible music magazines. Still doesn't change the fact that you are just making a fool of yourself here. Suddenly your little "I'm right, you're wrong. Your music is shit" claim doesn't hold as much water.
In desperation you tried making it about popularity and sales, rather than quality. So once again, you're on the end of a beating.
Here's a fact: You're wrong. Deal.
-AC
Originally posted by jaden101
dont attack other genre's of music on the basis of image if you dont want someone to throw it back in your face...as for the rest of your points...totally subjective and in my opinion (and it needs to be said...the opinions of more people than not) that those points are total horse shit...
just because you can wank a guitar at a rate of knots it doesnt mean that you have to in order to show a talent...
screaming into a mic doesn't constitute talent either
so some real facts
bloc party are magnificent...opeth are shit...and thats all there is to it...
Can i just discuss with you there and say some, but few, metal bands do have talent in the way that they can go from screaming (metaphorical) bass and guitar solos, along with some heavy, angry distortion(screaming down the microphone) to a really mellow, lilting keyboard solo in the same song and that, when you hear it, is amazing. Also, once many metal bands come to a certain place on the same album where they feel they can put the distortion aside, when they sing they show talent also. its when metal bands RELY on distortion that lets their musical talent down.
And in order to get that across, i have proof. For example, (i would just like to stress i am not a huge fan of slipknot.) There is a song on the slipknot album that was released recently and to bring a contrast to the sibgle, 'duality', called 'Danger...Keep away'. This is where the calm recides after the storm, so to speak.
Another example, Children Of Bodom. If you are a true metal fan, you would at least of heard of this finnish band that, quite frankly, rock arse. Download 'WarHeart' that shows the contrast between angry distortion and lilting calm. seriously, if even one of your musical interests situates in metal, you will love Children Of Bodom.
I would just like to state i do not listen to metal on a regular basis, i have only just started liking COB so i dont know much about them. plus, this is just my opinion. feel free to tear it apart as you just did to my friend libertine. 😊
"you won't find many bands better." indie pulse
"astonishing, confident and infectious debut.Glorious just about sums Silent Alarm.truly inspirational work" bbc
" a frantic, futuristic sound of its own" rolling stone
"one of our most essential bands" drowned in sound
"In a world of posers, fakers and bandwagon-jumpers, Bloc Party are unquestionably ‘4 real’. " NME
i thought this one was quite funny considering this thread
"it shakes its hips now and then, and it whispers here and there, but it always seems to come back to tight and bouncy.
People will love this record. And so, inevitably, the people who don't love it will start complaining"
"there can be no replacement for a record that is so arrestingly direct, but so complex and so intelligent in its base composition. A record that feels important and makes the hairs stand up on the back of your neck whenever you hear its name. A record that discloses more with each encounter. ‘Silent Alarm’ is all those things, maybe more."
"Bloc Party are indeed the band of 2005" the stereo effect
"BP have pretty much left most of their peers for dead." sheffieldbase
you missed one for mastodon by the way
"it is depressing how quickly one can be ruined by raised expectations."
Originally posted by jaden101
"you won't find many bands better." indie pulse
"astonishing, confident and infectious debut.Glorious just about sums Silent Alarm.truly inspirational work" bbc
" a frantic, futuristic sound of its own" rolling stone
"one of our most essential bands" drowned in sound
"In a world of posers, fakers and bandwagon-jumpers, Bloc Party are unquestionably ‘4 real’. " NMEi thought this one was quite funny considering this thread
"it shakes its hips now and then, and it whispers here and there, but it always seems to come back to tight and bouncy.
People will love this record. And so, inevitably, the people who don't love it will start complaining""there can be no replacement for a record that is so arrestingly direct, but so complex and so intelligent in its base composition. A record that feels important and makes the hairs stand up on the back of your neck whenever you hear its name. A record that discloses more with each encounter. ‘Silent Alarm’ is all those things, maybe more."
"Bloc Party are indeed the band of 2005" the stereo effect
"BP have pretty much left most of their peers for dead." sheffieldbase
you missed one for mastodon by the way
"it is depressing how quickly one can be ruined by raised expectations."
Exactly. You just proved my point completely, slipped right into the trap 😉.
You posted lists of opinion and claimed they were fact. I proved you wrong. You asked me (for some bizaare reason) to post opinions that Mastodon were good, besides my own and I did so.
So now, in return, you post more opinions of people who like Bloc Party. What does this tell you? That there is no direct fact. Only musical integrity of opinion.
ONE bad quote about Mastodon, chances that it was written by a fan of indie? Hahahahahaha.
The fact of the matter is this, you cannot prove beyond doubt and deniability that Bloc Party are magnificent. Why? Because it's not a fact. I don't like them, I think they're shit. You CANNOT prove me wrong.
I love Mastodon, they're an amazing band. Once again, you cannot prove me wrong.
You made the claim that Metal hasn't ever changed in 20 years and it never gets recognition, what did I do? Proved you quite wrong.
Bloc Party left their peers for dead? Peers? Coldplay, Keane, Embrace and Thirteen Senses? Not exactly hard. I'll openly admit that Bloc Party add a little flexibility to the stiffness. It's now a cardboard music genre rather than an ironing board one.
One of those quotes said "Inevitably the ones who don't love it will complain" or something. Ironically, I could say the same for Mastodon. Except it's truer.
If I don't like an Indie band, I don't dwell on it, besides if it's in discussion. A writer from NME (primarily indie mag) said that he felt left out by the Mastodon hype so he got involved. As soon as he was scared away by musicians actually making use of their instruments, he started slating the band. Poor indie kids, the UK's version of the Emo kid.
I felt the same as whoever wrote that negative Mastodon quote when I was listening to Silent Alarm.
Anything else? Perhaps you'd finally like to back up the "Facts" you've been preaching.
Jaden's Facts:
Metal is 100% shit.
Hasn't changed in 20 years.
All the bands I (and others who share my interest) like are shit.
Everything he likes is magnificent.
I'll be waiting on you to prove these and while you work on that, I'll pose this question:
When have Bloc Party ever been labelled the best band on the planet?
-AC
