Originally posted by Echuu
What are you talking about? Jesus said that homosexuality is WRONG.
If a practicing gay man is a pastor/priest he is directly contradicting what is says in the bible.
There was that dealio with a homosexual becoming a pastor in a Presbyterian church.
I'm just wondering- when he is teaching and stuff does he just ignore the scriptures that say that homosexuality is wrong?
So you heard it from Jesus own mouth? No, you must have read it from the NT. That means that some homophobic disciple or some priest coulda have change or re-writting the message. But since that we aren't talking about alterations in the bible I'll go back to the comment of judging others. And since you pointed out a contradiction of a gay man teaching the scriptures of the bible let me remind you that such case isn't new. Because Popes (who were not gay) were engaging in holy wars a few centuries ago. The message of Jesus was love and care for your brothers. Obviously those popes were contradicting the scriptures.
Originally posted by Echuu
Not allowing a homosexual man to become a leader of a church is not a sin. I think that it's ok to let a homosexual into church to hear the good news and salvation that Jesus offers because all humans are entitled to that. But to let one become an authority in the church is NOT what Jesus would want because it would make the message that Christianity teaches obsolete and hypocritical.
Is not about leadership. That's what you guys don't get. The only leader is Jesus. And Jesus is the only one that can judge and lead the believers. What you guys should be doing is spreading love and concern for your fellow man. Not exclude him/her because of his/her sexual preferences. When Jesus return he will judge you and me and everyone else. How is going to feel like when you're standing before the Holy judge and he reads to you the charges of not loving or caring for your fellow man/woman? And even worse charge will be that discrimiated and didn't allow your fellow man to read the teachings of the holy father? When Jesus returns (according to the NT) he will be judge/jury/ and to a certain extreme an executioner.
Homosexuals that go to church, IMO, are wasting their time. That's alls I have to say. Attempting to become ordained is even loftier.
Keep in mind, WD, Christians in general are only spreading Christs word, which says to love the sinner but denounce the sin. Regardless of how outdated some of the preachings may be, homosexuals don't belong in the church, and it's been like that for years, because homosexuals lord approves of what they do. Christ never did, so we're clearly serving a different Lord.
Originally posted by WindDancer
So you heard it from Jesus own mouth? No, you must have read it from the NT. That means that some homophobic disciple or some priest coulda have change or re-writting the message. But since that we aren't talking about alterations in the bible I'll go back to the comment of judging others. And since you pointed out a contradiction of a gay man teaching the scriptures of the bible let me remind you that such case isn't new. Because Popes (who were not gay) were engaging in holy wars a few centuries ago. The message of Jesus was love and care for your brothers. Obviously those popes were contradicting the scriptures.Is not about leadership. That's what you guys don't get. The only leader is Jesus. And Jesus is the only one that can judge and lead the believers. What you guys should be doing is spreading love and concern for your fellow man. Not exclude him/her because of his/her sexual preferences. When Jesus return he will judge you and me and everyone else. How is going to feel like when you're standing before the Holy judge and he reads to you the charges of not loving or caring for your fellow man/woman? And even worse charge will be that discrimiated and didn't allow your fellow man to read the teachings of the holy father? When Jesus returns (according to the NT) he will be judge/jury/ and to a certain extreme an executioner.
All scripture was "God breathed."
Almost all the crusades were horrible and unnecessary and I am not condoning them. I was not around then so don't make it seem like I was responsible or had anything to do with them.
God's word is what judges us. As Christians we are supposed to be following his word.
1Co 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Cor. 6:12-13 "For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."
According to the records of cooperating dioceses and religious congregations, from 1950 to 2002 more than four thousand priests, deacons and religious were accused of abusing close to eleven thousand individuals. Well over half a billion dollars had already been spent to settle claims made against the church.
Serious failing was the bishops and superiors their determination to avoid involving the criminal justice system, even when it was clear that the actions in question might actually mandate this. Efforts to report abuse were systematically sidetracked and when this did not work there were settlements made that called for an effective vow of silence on the part of those abused.
The hypocrisy!
I don't agree at all with what the catholics did and I am not a catholic.
In the bible it never says for church leaders to be celebate. The catholics came up with this but I don't think it is plausible to require them to remain celebate because of their sexual urges. They should be allowed to get married.
Originally posted by Echuu
I don't agree at all with what the catholics did and I am not a catholic.
In the bible it never says for church leaders to be celebate. The catholics came up with this but I don't think it is plausible to require them to remain celebate because of their sexual urges. They should be allowed to get married.
totally agree✅
The catholic church is quite clear that priests have to be celibate, but it has also been made clear that celibacy is not necessary.
In the 1967 encyclical Sacerdotalis Caelibatus, written to reinforce the "Sacredness of Celibacy" in the face of growing calls to rethink the traditional requirement, Pope Paul VI explained that while celibacy is a "dazzling jewel" it is not: "...required by the nature of the priesthood itself. This is clear from the practice of the early church itself and the traditions of the Eastern churches."
There is nothing about the nature of the priesthood which makes celibacy necessary or essential.