Storm vs. Dr. Doom

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Demi, as self proclaimed information nerd (self proclaimed),

Don't remember proclaiming myself that.

just randomly decided to jump on GalacticStorm's word. For some inexplicable reason (there's a reason). Galactic said it WASN'T a Doombot and for proof, check the comics. When infact it was a Doombot. So he was obviously relying on none of us owning it.

Wrong. Don't try to discredit me. I took his word because he wrote a description of what happened. I take EVERYBODY'S word for something when they describe a specific circumstance, so don't even try to make it seem as though I was biased.

Furthermore, I DID double-check the issue, and it went as described. I posted my summary of it myself. It was never revealed to be a Doombot in that issue, so there's no possible way anyone could know that's not the real Doom in that issue. In fact, I want to know WHO said it was a Doombot and how they found that out.

However:

This is all based around "Storm can control inside his shield" and "If she beat a Doombot she can beat him". That's it. That's all. That's all they have to go by.

Because Storm CAN control this inside of his shield, because she can control anything with an atmosphere inside of it. Without his shield, he's defenseless.

Demi's example for the first quote was (yeah, get ready for this one) that the air you breathe in...wait for it.....comes from the atmosphere, so therefore it is also "weather".....there's more, therefore, she can control it inside you. Which I personally believe is the most desperate, overblown, farfetched comment ever. Considering her powers aren't anywhere near that concentrated or disciplined.

You're completely taking my quote out of context, figuring that the original quote is far enough back that no one will check or no one will remember. I never used that as a debating point until you started with all that magic crap and saying that "just because someone hasn't done it doesn't mean they can't". I said, "ok, well in that case...."

And YES, atmosphere and weather conditions extend to EVERYTHING that touches it. That's science 101. Nothing far-fetched or desperate about it. Her powers are so concentrated and disciplined that she can create a cloud storm in her hand, create rain from within a box to sustain herself, or create a storm from the inside of a glass jar, she could for damn sure do it inside of a person. I mean, think about it - what's really the difference? They're all containers of air provided for them by the atmosphere. It's not far-fetched at all.

GalacticStorm's was, "She can beat a Doombot. She can beat Doom then."

Assuming that was really a Doombot, then it changes from direct to circumstantial evidence. She was able to overload the shields of a Doombot that is based on identical technology to Doom. Stands to reason she could do it to Doom.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Demi..................3 of you have posted prolifically.

You being the only one making a sensible on-topic effort.

That's not fair. GalacticStorm has been very professional in debating you.

There's 16 votes. Do you honestly think it counts if you just click "Storm"? Come on man. Bit of a slap in the face to you, me and others who have made a thread out of it, no matter how ridiculous I think it is.

Why? They're just votes. The longest thread on this board, which I think is Hulk vs. Juggernaut or something, only has 40-something votes on it. Sometimes people vote and don't post. Sometimes people post and don't vote. I really don't pay a lick of attention to it. Especially when they involve characters who are automatic favorites in any battle, like Thanos and Doom.

As far as I'm concerned, Doom leading or Storm leading (said it before) the votes don't "matter".

I agree. I'm not even sure why significant attention was paid to this. Yes, I'm partially hypocritical because I posted a one-liner way back saying, "hey! Storm got another vote! Whoo-hoo!". But really, now...

If they did, it would be rather stupid. I find it suspicious, very. That 13 people out of the 16 Storm voters, have said NOTHING.

Maybe they don't want to be belittled by you. You're a fine debator; you're just not very nice.

We know that Galactic has been contacting people via PM, Stormfront said so. It's just all a bit sad when he's sitting there telling me how he's winning. When A) He's not and B) Apparantly can't do it without help. Not that I've got anything against you at all, or them really. Minors to me.

If I were PMing people, I'd probably also ask them to at least post something rudimentary...

Naturally, I figure that's what's happening though. That's a big jump in the 12 hours since I was last on here.

You would be rather unwise to say that GalacticStorm has not played a major part in destroying this thread though.

He hasn't. His first post stated his opinion. You accused him of being Stormfront, then proceeded to belittle him by calling him a "storm fanboy", when all he did was summarize what he read in the Essential X-men. Then you countered him by saying "You're talking BS" and that it has nothing to do with Doom, even though it was a summary directly involving Doom. Then you said he has no impact (despite making only two posts just summarizing the issue) and called yourself The Man.

You can say that included no insults in it, but you're kidding yourself if you think that wasn't begging for a hostile response. So naturally, the trash talking started when he did his best AC impersonation, and things just spun out of control.

So he's no more guilty than you are of screwing up the thread.

"Furthermore, I DID double-check the issue, and it went as described. I posted my summary of it myself. It was never revealed to be a Doombot in that issue, so there's no possible way anyone could know that's not the real Doom in that issue. In fact, I want to know WHO said it was a Doombot and how they found that out."

You'll remember me saying "Read the following issues" many times I hope.

"You're completely taking my quote out of context, figuring that the original quote is far enough back that no one will check or no one will remember. "

People can check all they want. I told Arachnoid Freak about that "theory". He didn't believe me, I linked him the page. I'm no scammer, don't try to make me out as one.

"And YES, atmosphere and weather conditions extend to EVERYTHING that touches it. That's science 101."

THAT'S what you said. "I'm a physicphile." Which have no place in comics, oh...unless you want them to.

"Her powers are so concentrated and disciplined that she can create a cloud storm in her hand, create rain from within a box to sustain herself, or create a storm from the inside of a glass jar, she could for damn sure do it inside of a person."

All depends on how comfortable you are with her weather powers. She controls the ever changing Earth elements. Like a mutant mother nature. The disposition inside the jar won't change, the weather around it will. That's what she controls.

"Assuming that was really a Doombot, then it changes from direct to circumstantial evidence. She was able to overload the shields of a Doombot that is based on identical technology to Doom. Stands to reason she could do it to Doom."

Like I said before, why is that so? He obviously doesn't overlabour his Doombots with uber-protection as he does with himself. Why? Coz I'd think he'd be more concerned about protecting himself than a Doombot.

"That's not fair. GalacticStorm has been very professional in debating you."

Me and everyone else who has seem him, disagree.

"Maybe they don't want to be belittled by you. You're a fine debator; you're just not very nice."

Not my responsibility or duty to be "nice" in debates. Look around the OTF, the GDF. Completely different kettle of fish. I have many people here who I like and who like me. We get along. In debates, I debate. Not in them to make friends. Fact is, if you leap the chasm into debate with me. You should accept that I debate hard and blunt. If you can't take how I do, don't get involved. Certainly don't do what Stormfront did. Contradict and undermine YOURSELF many times, then make me seem like the bad guy. Which he ultimately succeeded in doing, if your actions are any indication. This doesn't matter though.

"If I were PMing people, I'd probably also ask them to at least post something rudimentary... Naturally, I figure that's what's happening though. That's a big jump in the 12 hours since I was last on here."

I don't believe for a second that he is asking people "Please contribute a vote to the Dr. Doom Vs Storm thread. Read the replies and cast your vote", and being fair about it. Like I have done. I would make a point, not to be biased, coz then it just looks bad on me. I don't believe he's being fair in that, at all, if he is doing it. He's hinted to dodgery anyway. Sad.

"You accused him of being Stormfront, then proceeded to belittle him by calling him a "storm fanboy'"

Because from my impression, especially now, he appears to be. If he's not Stormfront, fine. It's easy to see why I made the connection.

"when all he did was summarize what he read in the Essential X-men. Then you countered him by saying 'You're talking BS' and that it has nothing to do with Doom"

I don't take kindly to people downplaying my very credible knowledge, telling me to read comics, telling me to learn about the characters, while in the same line saying "I got this off the net". Or "If you check their bios"...I dissed his debate. His points. His posts. Not him.

"even though it was a summary directly involving Doom. Then you said he has no impact (despite making only two posts just summarizing the issue) and called yourself The Man."

Arachnoid Freak has "The Man" in his status. Point being? When someone comes in and actually makes a point to come at me with BLATANT insults, to me (specifying me), then I'm gonna bite back. If you can bark, I can bite. I guarantee that more often than not I'll bite harder.

"You can say that included no insults in it, but you're kidding yourself if you think that wasn't begging for a hostile response. So naturally, the trash talking started when he did his best AC impersonation, and things just spun out of control."

Things spun out of control at which point? When he took it upon himself to make that hostile response? If I had made it to you, you wouldn't have reacted like he did. Nor would any other sensible person here. I'm responsible for me, me alone. Not how he reacts to me. He needs to learn this. He kicked it all off by flying off handle.

He is far more guilty, I didn't screw the thread up. Look back at my posts, I constantly tried to get back onto Doom/Storm. He just wasn't interested. Then I get PMs from him. Defend him all you want, he's in the wrong.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You'll remember me saying "Read the following issues" many times I hope?

I don't. You named specific issues to read? I didn't see that post. If it was after page 20, I would have missed it. I'm too far behind to catch up. What issues?

"And YES, atmosphere and weather conditions extend to EVERYTHING that touches it. That's science 101."

THAT'S what you said. "I'm a physicphile." Which have no place in comics, oh...unless you want them to.

Physics have a place in comics. Some writers ignore it, others use it heavily. Look at Warren Ellis' run of Ultimate Fantastic Four - if that's not real world physics applied to comics at its finest, I don't know what is. It certainly has a place in comics.

So I explained how, if she has control over the weather, even in confined spaces like jars and boxes, then that would extend to the human body, which is just a walking, talking confined space. I think that's a valid extension of logic.

"Her powers are so concentrated and disciplined that she can create a cloud storm in her hand, create rain from within a box to sustain herself, or create a storm from the inside of a glass jar, she could for damn sure do it inside of a person."

All depends on how comfortable you are with her weather powers. She controls the ever changing Earth elements. Like a mutant mother nature. The disposition inside the jar won't change, the weather around it will. That's what she controls.

The weather IN it will change. That means she can create storms inside of the jar. That means, winds, thunder, lightning. If she can do it in boxes and jars and forcefields, she can do it in people.

"Assuming that was really a Doombot, then it changes from direct to circumstantial evidence. She was able to overload the shields of a Doombot that is based on identical technology to Doom. Stands to reason she could do it to Doom."

Like I said before, why is that so? He obviously doesn't overlabour his Doombots with uber-protection as he does with himself. Why? Coz I'd think he'd be more concerned about protecting himself than a Doombot.

He's made Doombots that can cast spells, Doombots that carry some kind of matter-manipulating gun, Doombots that try to claim Latveria as their own. IF they're that well-armed and realistic, stands to reason he'd at least give them his exact same forcefield. We don't KNOW this, but it seems logical.

Not my responsibility or duty to be "nice" in debates.

But you shouldn't be rude, either. I'm not "nice" in debates. I state my facts and move on. You goaded him into a confrontation.

Contradict and undermine YOURSELF many times, then make me seem like the bad guy. Which he ultimately succeeded in doing, if your actions are any indication. This doesn't matter though.

I look at it this way, if he wrote what he wrote to you to me, and I responded the way I normally do, he would never have gone off like that. You goaded him.

"You accused him of being Stormfront, then proceeded to belittle him by calling him a "storm fanboy'"

Because from my impression, especially now, he appears to be.

But you called him that after his very first post! His very first post was nothing more than a summary of the issue where Storm beat Doom. It was nothing more than that.

"when all he did was summarize what he read in the Essential X-men. Then you countered him by saying 'You're talking BS' and that it has nothing to do with Doom"

I don't take kindly to people downplaying my very credible knowledge, telling me to read comics, telling me to learn about the characters, while in the same line saying "I got this off the net". Or "If you check their bios"...I dissed his debate. His points. His posts. Not him.

But none of the downplaying took place until AFTER you started calling him fanboy, and telling him he's talking BS, etc.

"even though it was a summary directly involving Doom. Then you said he has no impact (despite making only two posts just summarizing the issue) and called yourself The Man."

Arachnoid Freak has "The Man" in his status. Point being?

Summarizing. But you know the point - you were goading him. How could he not respond with hostility?

When someone comes in and actually makes a point to come at me with BLATANT insults, to me (specifying me), then I'm gonna bite back. If you can bark, I can bite. I guarantee that more often than not I'll bite harder.

Except you bit first. He made exactly two posts and you tore into him. That was when he got hostile and started fighting back. It's all there in the back pages. Check it if you don't believe me. You'll see exactly how this escalated.

Things spun out of control at which point? When he took it upon himself to make that hostile response? If I had made it to you, you wouldn't have reacted like he did.

Because I try to stay above that. I remember my very first post, on the Magneto vs. Hulk thread. I posted my opinion, and your very first response to me was pretty belitting. It took a good two pages for you to calm down and get into the content of the debate. It was like I somehow had to prove myself to get any respect or serious answers from you. You did the same thing to GalacticStorm. I don't mind how someone addresses me on the board, but I don't assume that everybody thinks that way, so I try to give everyone the same level of respect.

"I don't. You named specific issues to read? I didn't see that post. If it was after page 20, I would have missed it. I'm too far behind to catch up. What issues?"

I'll find the numbers soon, in the midst of cataloging my stuff. It's DIRECTLY after the one where she "defeats" him. In the next 5 issues I'm sure. I'll find out, but it was a Doombot, it wasn't proven why, it was just raised. I can't come up with "This is why it was a Doombot". I dunno, it was revealed to be.

"So I explained how, if she has control over the weather, even in confined spaces like jars and boxes, then that would extend to the human body, which is just a walking, talking confined space. I think that's a valid extension of logic."

With all due respect, you know your science. Human internals aren't empty glass jars. The air isn't "Air" anymore, when you breath it in. It's separated. Can't even believe it's come to this. Really.

"He's made Doombots that can cast spells, Doombots that carry some kind of matter-manipulating gun, Doombots that try to claim Latveria as their own. IF they're that well-armed and realistic, stands to reason he'd at least give them his exact same forcefield. We don't KNOW this, but it seems logical."

Ok well, that's your POV. Respected. I believe he'd be a little more protective of his actual self that the Doombots. Not many people try it with Doom anyway, so...doesn't have to be one that's constantly on guard.

"But you shouldn't be rude, either. I'm not "nice" in debates. I state my facts and move on. You goaded him into a confrontation."

I can't goad anyone who isn't willing to start one man, come on. I could goad you, Arach, Tron, Never, anyone. No one sensible would do what he did. Me "goading" is opinion, it's all in how you react. He clearly wasn't happy with my "position" on this site. He even referred to me as the "once mighty AC". He said he was reading the site before he joined. He was coming for me, one way or the other. So yeah, if you come at me like that, I'm gonna be AC...Alpha Centauri. The guy you labelled as mighty, and I'm gonna live up to it and make sure you never make the mistake of attacking ME again.

"But none of the downplaying took place until AFTER you started calling him fanboy, and telling him he's talking BS, etc."

Yeah but....by my definition of the term, he was being one. Everyone says "Oh come on man, stop talking BS". It's hardly as if I'm spraying him with profanity and dissing his mother. If I say someone is talking BS, it's just my way of saying nonsense.

"How could he not respond with hostility?"

By thinking, by acting mature, by realising that my intention wasn't to goad or by asking. Sarcasm has been used by and against me many times here, never to this effect. It's lessened as my time here has grown, coz people know what I mean and how I post. They know to look before leaping. I'm not accepting any responsibility for his actions.

"Except you bit first. He made exactly two posts and you tore into him. That was when he got hostile and started fighting back. It's all there in the back pages. Check it if you don't believe me. You'll see exactly how this escalated."

Tore into him is a bit drastic. Tore into his debate is what I did. I was fresh off posting to you, so I replied to him. Nothing I said, deserved the stuff he said back.

"It was like I somehow had to prove myself to get any respect or serious answers from you. You did the same thing to GalacticStorm. I don't mind how someone addresses me on the board, but I don't assume that everybody thinks that way, so I try to give everyone the same level of respect."

The way I addressed you was the way I address anyone. You're new, but you're making the opportunity to post. So therefore, you're as open as anyone else here. I "calmed" (as you call it) because I disagreed with you, you were making some extremely valid points. Ones I either continued to disagree with for good reason and you to me, or agreed with you and you to me. We established a good level of on topic communication and understanding of the way we both post. Hence why I know you like to look at things very differently than I do.

GalacticStorm just told me to get off Doom's dick, labelling me a "stupid, little child" (I refer to some people as kid, but never that), a fool, an idiot, unknowledged. Many more. Continuing to go off topic, despite my sincerest efforts to get it back. Doing the same in two other threads. Being genuinely way over-antagonistic. At the time I said (which was a while ago) "Do you have anything on-topic to say? If not, stop posting" he could have.

He didn't, so here we are.

-AC

I'll leave you to your opinion on how you treated GalacticStorm, but I can see why he'd react the way he did, from following everything that happened from his very first post on down.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll find the numbers soon, in the midst of cataloging my stuff. It's DIRECTLY after the one where she "defeats" him. In the next 5 issues I'm sure. I'll find out, but it was a Doombot, it wasn't proven why, it was just raised. I can't come up with "This is why it was a Doombot". I dunno, it was revealed to be.

I hate the whole Doombot concept. It's like, any portrayal of Doom that one writer doesn't like, the writer can just nullify it by saying it's a Doombot. It's BS. It's the ultimate Deux ex Machina.

So, assuming that it was a Doombot in that issue, and I'm not sure that's been determined conclusively yet, I wouldn't say that GalacticStorm was lying or being deceitful about it the way you're accusing him of being. He said he read the issue as part of Essential X-men - there would have been no way to know that wasn't the real Doom, and the only way he could have been deceitful about it is if he failed to mention that after Storm blew up his shield, Doom's head popped off, revealing a robot inside. That didn't happen, so it's only logical to assume that's the real Doom. It's not his fault.

"So I explained how, if she has control over the weather, even in confined spaces like jars and boxes, then that would extend to the human body, which is just a walking, talking confined space. I think that's a valid extension of logic."

With all due respect, you know your science. Human internals aren't empty glass jars. The air isn't "Air" anymore, when you breath it in. It's separated.

What do you mean the air isn't "air" anymore? It's still air. And in fact, it's less separated than an empty glass jar. A closed glass jar is fairly airtight. All it has in it is the air that was trapped inside. A human body is porous. You're always breathing in new air, through your nose, your mouth. A body is far more connected to the atmosphere than a closed off jar. If anything, it should be easiler for her to create a storm inside a body than inside a jar.

Can't even believe it's come to this. Really.

Actually, this is something of a side debate. I haven't made this part of my core argument. It's just my counter-magic shield card, lol.

"That didn't happen, so it's only logical to assume that's the real Doom. It's not his fault."

Can you safely assume that it's actually Doom considering the man has made under 12 real appearances in 40 yarr?

"What do you mean the air isn't "air" anymore? It's still air. And in fact, it's less separated than an empty glass jar. A closed glass jar is fairly airtight. All it has in it is the air that was trapped inside. A human body is porous. You're always breathing in new air, through your nose, your mouth. A body is far more connected to the atmosphere than a closed off jar. If anything, it should be easiler for her to create a storm inside a body than inside a jar."

Air isn't a singular substance. It's hydrogen, oxygen etc. When it enters your body it's separated. The oxygen is distributed throughout the bloodsteam etc. She can't control hydrogen, oxygen, all singularly. AIR is a united form of multiple gases.

I don't see why you'd wanna counter the magic shield card. She's still resting upon the one speculatory attack she can use if his shield is up, the manipulating of the environment/environment inside body.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"That didn't happen, so it's only logical to assume that's the real Doom. It's not his fault."

Can you safely assume that it's actually Doom considering the man has made under 12 real appearances in 40 yarr?

That's crazy. So it's basically, "If it's Doom doing something godly, that's the real Doom. If it's Doom being beaten, it's a Doombot". That makes Doom debates pointless, because every good feat is real and every bad feat is a Doombot.

"What do you mean the air isn't "air" anymore? It's still air. And in fact, it's less separated than an empty glass jar. A closed glass jar is fairly airtight. All it has in it is the air that was trapped inside. A human body is porous. You're always breathing in new air, through your nose, your mouth. A body is far more connected to the atmosphere than a closed off jar. If anything, it should be easiler for her to create a storm inside a body than inside a jar."

Air isn't a singular substance. It's hydrogen, oxygen etc. When it enters your body it's separated. The oxygen is distributed throughout the bloodsteam etc. She can't control hydrogen, oxygen, all singularly. AIR is a united form of multiple gases.

You've oversimplified the process. What actually happens is about 20 times a minute, you breathe in. When you do, you inhale air and pass it through your nasal passages where the air is filtered, heated, moistened and enters the back of the throat. The air has a long journey to get to your lungs. It flows down through the windpipe, past the voice box or vocal cords, to where the lowermost ribs meet the center of your chest. There, your windpipe divides into two tubes which lead to the two lungs which fill most of your ribcage. Inside each of your lungs, tubes, called bronchi, branch into even smaller tubes much like the branches of a tree. At the end of these tubes are millions of tiny bubbles or sacs called aleoli. They bring new oxygen from air you've breathed to your bloodstream. They exchange it for waste products, like carbon dioxide, which the cells in your body have made and can't use. The carbon dioxide goes back up the lungs.

So the direct atmosphere that Storm controls - which Webster's defines as " the gaseous envelope of a celestial body (as a planet) b : the whole mass of air surrounding the earth" fills your body from the nose all the way through to your lungs. And it's filled the same way a jar or box or Danger Room would be filled with the "mass of air surrounding the earth".

Incidentally, that would also lend credence to the idea that she could tap into the power of a star - a star, after all, is really just a big, ignited ball of gas - it's flaming atmosphere. But I'm not gonna touch that one, since it's not a relevant part of the debate and will throw everything off-topic...

I don't see why you'd wanna counter the magic shield card. She's still resting upon the one speculatory attack she can use if his shield is up, the manipulating of the environment/environment inside body.

I think it's also valid speculation that she could interrupt his shield with a powerful enough electric pulse. OK, she did it to a Doombot, but I think if nothing else, it makes questioning whether she could do it to Doom himself quite reasonable.

Doom has fought so much powerful foes and has been a threat to the Universe and the World so many times that putting him against Storm is an insult.

"That's crazy. So it's basically, "If it's Doom doing something godly, that's the real Doom. If it's Doom being beaten, it's a Doombot". That makes Doom debates pointless, because every good feat is real and every bad feat is a Doombot."

Never has this been implied. It's been stated that even alot of his amazing feats are by Doombots, created by him with offensive power akin to his own. Like Vic said, if it's a Doombot doing shit like outsmarting Galactus, advantage very much goes to Doom. If it gets beat, doesn't affect Doom. Just says he didn't make the Doombot strong enough.

"So the direct atmosphere that Storm controls - which Webster's defines as " the gaseous envelope of a celestial body (as a planet) b : the whole mass of air surrounding the earth" fills your body from the nose all the way through to your lungs. And it's filled the same way a jar or box or Danger Room would be filled with the "mass of air surrounding the earth"."

Well......even if (and I find it highly unlikely and dubious in the cases it's happened) she could do this. There's still the one factor she's relying on, getting through his shield. Which is the one thing she's got going on for her. Even so, it can be argued against as to whether she'd win the fight then.

"I think it's also valid speculation that she could interrupt his shield with a powerful enough electric pulse. OK, she did it to a Doombot, but I think if nothing else, it makes questioning whether she could do it to Doom himself quite reasonable."

Well there's always gonna be "If she did it to a Doombot, could she pull it off on Doom". Reiterating the belief that he cranks up the offensive and defensive capabilites of his own armour as opposed to a robots, that's nowhere near concrete that she could.

-AC

even though this is kind of silly. demi is a swell debater.
no matter what it would come down to intelligence ,wits and strategy...and we know who is the superior.

I never doubted that.

I think the way he looks at things are really strange, sometimes farfetched and I don't always agree, but he conducts himself clearly and sensibly. Doesn't result to insults.

I haven't gotta think "This is tough", coz it's not a chore to reply to him. Unlike some.

-AC

"We know that Galactic has been contacting people via PM, Stormfront said so"

Grow up AC. Ive contacted yourself Demi Stormfront and Sbo to ask if u lot had heard of face-pic cos im registered with them. The reason theres so many votes is because the pro storm peeps put up a convincing argument. Anyone who reads thru the whole topic will see that.

"Galactic said it WASN'T a Doombot and for proof, check the comics. When infact it was a Doombot. So he was obviously relying on none of us owning it."

Lies once again AC. Something i dont have to resort to to win an argument. I just rely on whats in the comics and any other marvel products such as the handbook and various books on character histories and bios. I said that until someone proved that it wasnt doom then my point that storm whupped him had not been countered therefore there was no need for me to move on. Wynndar put up a convincing argument that it wasnt doom but a doombot. Then i accepted that and we then went on to question just how impressive dooms resume is if he hasnt been around for so long. I then questioned how a doom bot compares to the actual man himn terms of durability and fighting prowess if it had been them who were humbling so many major foes. I was debating. You disliked what i was saying so got condescending at which point i mocked you and had a good laugh doing so all of last night. Yes i did go off topic a bit but i then went to relate that bk to the original topic thereby keeping it relevant. Anyone who reads my posts with a neutral mindset will be able to see this. Im not trying to be you in the slightest im not trying to make a name for myself i have a life outside of these forums and come on here to debate and have a laugh with people with similar interests. You seem to think you are something big on these forums hence my mocking of you which as previously mentioned many members commended me for. Im guessing in real life youre not half as cocky or arrogant. This is a bit of fun to me and means nothing. I dont feel the need to put people down if if i dont like their opinion. Yes there is a difference between putting someones argument down and putting a person down and you do both. Which is fine cos outside of this forum i know i have a life i dont need to hide behind my computer log on to a forum and pretend to be someone i could only aspire to be.

Thanx for reading. Cya on the forums!!!!

-GS

I can't put myself to read that sentence...paragraphs...please

AC - don't reply! It's not worth it!!! We've exhausted this thread utterly...

demi's right

This is the guy who has had no hand in wrecking this thread Demi?

Forget this. Galactic (Wow, now Stormfront is back....), out of respect for the people here, I'm gonna tackle what you say to me and your small shred of a debate, in one:

"Anyone who reads thru the whole topic will see that. "

Anyone will also see that 20 people have posted in this thread, as to why Doom would win.

3 have done so for Storm.

"You seem to think you are something big on these forums hence my mocking of you which as previously mentioned many members commended me for. Im guessing in real life youre not half as cocky or arrogant. This is a bit of fun to me and means nothing. I dont feel the need to put people down if if i dont like their opinion. Yes there is a difference between putting someones argument down and putting a person down and you do both. Which is fine cos outside of this forum i know i have a life i dont need to hide behind my computer log on to a forum and pretend to be someone i could only aspire to be. Thanx for reading. Cya on the forums!!!!"

You had one legitimate argument. "She beat Doom". I proved it wrong. You lied.

Stop acting so stupid, childish and pathetic. Me and Demi exhausted this thread. More people have posted for Doom than Storm, legitimately and with reason.

You claim you're not trying to be me, what's with the initials sign off? The stealing of my phrases?

Back on topic: Your argument, "Doombots are equal to Doom". I've since proved that theory silly.

Move on. I'm out of your league.

-AC

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I just rely on whats in the comics and any other marvel products such as the handbook and various books on character histories and bios.

Why not back up your pristine ideology instead of acting like a clueless n00b all the time?

Someone sees it besides me. A miracle.

I don't get how people see that post and tell me not to reply. He is getting no blame from the Storm fans.

...and exactly. Just denies fact then says he's won.

-AC

if all storm does is produce energy mostly then why was it so low?? and if she can move faster than mach three then why was it so low?? another thing- beast told her that she is almost as smart as her which is clearly very smart then why was that so low??