Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Remebered which issue it was. New Mutants (2nd series) #12. Beast says"Josh is an Omega-class mutant, capable of manipulating the body’s functions at the genetic level."
Originally posted by bluempathy
if any one knows what issue they discuss Josh/Elixir being an omega level mutant can you please tell me?
Here's the part from X-men forever where I believe the Omega concept originates from. In fact the whole point of X-men forever was to bring out the potential in its characters, and the plot revolves around the idea that some mutants are capable of merging with/replacing fundamental forces, even cosmic powers.
Omegas aren't just about power, its about unlimited potential, the potential to replace fundamental force of the universe and manipulate reality.
In this issue, Jean and Bobby are confirmed Omega. Since then, Quentin has been confirmed in New X-men and Phoenix Endsong, and Josh (Elixir) in New X-men: Academy X.
No one else is confirmed as far as I know, although Franklin Richards and Scarlet Witch probably are. Rachel almost certainly is because in Endsong its stated that the Phoenix uses Omega psis as hosts. Its related to the telekinetic mutation ... There are a lot of powerful mutants but not many have the unlimited cosmic potential that makes them Omega.
Its been brought up that logan and jubilee are very strong mutants. Maybe even omega. I doubt that logan is but being an omega has nothing to do with the type of power that a mutant has but there potential to control or manipulate there base power.
Wolverines mutant healing ability is top notch. In the ultimate series I think they went into it in the most depth. Wolverines brain can be physically damaged and his healing ability will repair it. Like when they fought prof x son and wolverine had halve of his face ripped off and his brain leaking out of his head. His mutant healing ability repaired his brain then everything else. He was also burned alive leaving only his skeleton and again his healing ability regenerated everything from stratch. Beast , wildchild and the likes would not survive such a feat. In addition to his healing ability affecting other aspect like his age, and his inability to alter anything not natural on his body. His healing ability is very powerful definitely not omega but a sure alpha.
As for jubilee right now her powers are laughable at best. But in her potential is where the danger is. Right now she can create fireworks. Ohh dangerous... But prof x realized that at her full potential she can alter the energy levels on a molecular level. Translation she can manipulate the power of atoms. Meaning she can charge atoms and release there energy=atom bomb type projectiles. This would make her a true power player. maybe not an omega but an alpha for sure.
hey...... a few years back there was a guy in a Wolverine comic.... he got taken to Logan by Michael Twoyoungmen (Shaman) and Wolverine trained him to fight and stuff..... then he spent a night in a cave with his hand in the ground.... he ended up holding a worm......
who was he and what're his powers.... i thought about it because i'm sure he was referred to as an "omega" mutant
Originally posted by Scoobless
hey...... a few years back there was a guy in a Wolverine comic.... he got taken to Logan by Michael Twoyoungmen (Shaman) and Wolverine trained him to fight and stuff..... then he spent a night in a cave with his hand in the ground.... he ended up holding a worm......who was he and what're his powers.... i thought about it because i'm sure he was referred to as an "omega" mutant
EARTHMOVER II
Real Name: Chuck Moss
Universe/Timeline: Marvel Universe
Current Status:
Aliases: none
Nationality: Canadian
First Appearance: Wolverine (2nd series) #179
Powers and Abilities:
vast mystical potential focused through Shaman's medicine bag, allowing him to summon up enchanted potions, totems, and items for a variety of effects
Affiliations:
Alpha Flight
Originally posted by stormfront13
i don't actually know what makes a person omega
Defining a mutant as Omega level is best described by putting it this way;
"An Omega Mutant is a mutant who operates on a level of power far beyond that of even the strongest mutants"
Using this definition, I'd pretty much say things like;
- Altering reality
- Breaking the laws of nature (Physics, time, etc. Can almost be considered altering reality, to a much lesser extent)
- Vast levels of power beyond anything comprehendable by most standards (I.E. Jean Grey's ability to tap into the Phoenix, who is considered to be the most powerful being in the M.U.)
Characters like Storm would be considered as barely making Omega class, as at best she can break the laws of nature on a atmospheric level, wheras guys like Nate Grey can completely rewrite the laws of nature however they damn well please. More important, a character's control of their powers should have no influence on their ranking as a Omega mutant, as many have had immense amounts of power they simply could not control (Nate Grey) but should still be considered Omega mutants because the potential is there.
It is important to realize though, that characters who are very high end Omega mutants, such as Nate Grey, also run the risk of self destruction. For example, Jean Grey has had severe problem controling her powers, due to their nature. This helps define the level of their power simply because it shows that, as a human being, they can only contain and control so much. It would take more time than most humans have to master the use of such extreme powers.
This is just MY view on Omega mutants, but as far as I'm concerned, it's damned accurate.
i was informed that being an omega mutant was being able to bypass all laws of nature and exist without a body or something like that. also i am almost positive that storm is a confirmed omega, i swear that i saw a picture of xavier telling her she was an omega, but now i can't find it anywhere and i am starting to think the photo was a manipulation, though it looked very, very real. also even if it is unlimited potential, storm would be included there. it is said by the writers that she can potentially control everything in the atmosphere and ecosystem.
Just what Charles' said: "their powers could expand beyond their physical body's limit and one could potentially transcend beyond that, to say, a cosmic level." You can be a phenomenally powerful mutant and not be capable of transcending, or you could be a mutant who (at this time) can't do much more than get cold and throw snowballs, yet be an Omega.
^^ that description was from monolith who is a very, very, very knowlegable person when it coems to comics, he basically knows everything.
I don't think omega has anything to do with transcendence or existing without a body. Elixir is the only confirmed omega that isn't an energy wielder, so I think that provides at least a basis to work from.
I can agree with most of what you have Nataku8188, but where would you put Elixir? Under altering the laws of nature? Would that include anyone that can manipulate something psionically, like Pyro?
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
I don't think omega has anything to do with transcendence or existing without a body. Elixir is the only confirmed omega that isn't an energy wielder, so I think that provides at least a basis to work from.I can agree with most of what you have Nataku8188, but where would you put Elixir? Under altering the laws of nature? Would that include anyone that can manipulate something psionically, like Pyro?
What are his power exactly? It has to do with your physiology, correct?
You miss the point of omega. Strength has absolutely nothing to do with it. It just so happens that most omegas are extremely powerful offensively. If he manipulate organic matter on a molecular level, his powers could extend much further than healing. He might be able to change one substance to another. He could alter genetic codes to provide immunities to certain things, ie disease, aging, adamantium bullets. He could revolutionize agriculture. He could perhaps provide humans with the means of survival in space without protective gear. These are just a few random ramblings.
And as far as power is concerned, it appears that he could be the opposite of the Molecule Man. And I doubt that anyone would argue that he's not that powerful.
Originally posted by stormfront13
i don't really see elixir as that strong
ist not about strength, its about how advanced his powers are...
Originally posted by stormfront13
i'm not doubting he is not omega, did you ever see me say that? i just don't see him being that strong right now, maybe with training he will be, but not now.
again, strength is not a factor...