Rice postpones Canadian visit because of missile decision

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Rice postpones Canadian visit because of missile decision

LONDON (AP) - U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice deferred plans to visit Canada next month because of U.S. displeasure that Canada has opted out of a U.S.-led anti-ballistic missile shield program, a Bush administration official said.

There is no new date for the trip, which had been planned for mid-April.

Rice, in London for a British-sponsored conference on ways to help Palestinians achieve peace and stability, arranged to meet briefly with Canadian officials outside the conference Tuesday afternoon. The Canadians requested the meeting.

"We look forward to seeing the Canadians soon, and are looking for a date when we can make that happen," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Monday through an aide.

"We were in fact looking at a date, but the schedules didn't work out."

Boucher did not expressly link the delay to the missile decision, but a Bush administration official travelling with Rice in London did so Monday on condition of anonymity.

Canada announced its decision on the missile defence system last week, setting off a prickly exchange between the U.S. ambassador to Canada and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin. U.S.-Canada relations were already clouded by strong Canadian opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

An early visit to Canada had been among Rice's early priorities as secretary of state. She plans to visit the United States' southern neighbour, Mexico, next week.

Martin said last Friday that the United States must get permission before firing on any incoming missiles over Canada.

"This is our airspace, we're a sovereign nation and you don't intrude on a sovereign nation's airspace without seeking permission," Martin said.

At the same time, he acknowledged that it was the Americans who would ultimately determine whether to shoot down an incoming missile from a terrorist or a rogue state.

"I don't think that anybody else expected that there would be any other finger on the button other than an American," he said.

Conservative foreign affairs critic Stockwell Day ridiculed Martin's position that Washington would have to alert Ottawa before shooting down a missile.

"These missiles are coming in at four kilometres a second, and if the president calls the 1-800 line and gets: 'Press 1 if you want English, press 2 if you want French, press 0 if nobody's there . . .' I mean, it's crazy."

After the decision was made not to allow Americans to fire missles over Canada Bush responded that he's do it anyway. Then Rice picks up her ball and goes home because we don't like the missle plan? Excellent diplomatic skills, "If you don't let us do what we want, we won't talk to you"!

the Canadian should get their own system that shot down any missile passing over their airspace, that would be an anoying itch into Bush`s groin or in his case that wrinkled bag of peas he got

Bush wouldn't let it happen, he'd probably invade us.

Bush wouldn't let it happen, he'd probably invade us
Just write im a letter saying Canada lies between Afghanistan and Pakistan and youre off the hook..........just dont seal the letter with a kiss 😱

Just write im a letter saying Canada lies between Afghanistan and Pakistan and youre off the hook.

Well, we have lots of oil, maybe I knw he likes oil. And if we were between Afghanistan and Pakistan wouldn't that make us Canadistan?

no you woyuld be "so where the fook is this coountry then"

See... The Project For The New American Century strikes again.
Another example of exporting freedom/democracy to the world....
Diplomacy is no longer a word in Bush's very odd vocabulary...
(As for that ass-kissing/decievership tour of Europe....
Yeah like Bush DOES want anyone objecting to ANYTHING his organgrinder plans... )

So a real-life sequel to "South Park:The Movie" looks one step closer to reality huh...?

I can see the tagline now....

"This time its not over swearing......."

i don't like Rice. SHe is bush's puppet. Atleast colin powell had the ability to say we made a mistake. Well kharma dog the liberals just put a heck of alot of money in defense, and if they sustain that, Canada could get back on its knees and would have preety good army.

I dunno what people around here think diplomacy IS. People seem to be very naive.

This is diplomacy at its most basic level. If you take an action that pisses a country off, then it is expected that that country will be reluctant to press on with social engagements. Furthermore, there is an entire staff- an entire industry- behind this area, so to level the finger at Rice alone is ridiculous.

The Canadians knew what they were doing. If they wanted the meeting they would have waited until afterwards before making the announcement. This kind of thing happens every day. The amount you people are making out of this is ridiculous.

The ultimate impact will be zero; this is just another chapter in ordinary day-to-day country relations.

Ushgarak, sorry to seem so naive and below your level of comprehension of world events and relations (yes that's sarcasm).

Apparently you regard my statements as a lack of awareness regarding diplomacy. I understand diplomacy, it's the Bush administration's techniques of diplomacy that I question.

The reoccurring theme between his administration's diplomacy towards Canada is "I'll talk and you'll listen, then I'll ignore what you say".

In regards to the facts that "there is an entire staff- an entire industry- behind this area" and "to level the finger at Rice alone is ridiculous" I disagree. Although many people are involved with such a decision, she is the person who holds the responsibility of the position thereby receiving accolades when that "entire staff/industry" attains success and conversely is admonished when that "entire staff/industry" fails

OK. Then maybe i should have said "advanced" level diplomacy is not a word in Bush's administrations vocab then.
Naive...? Although I have to admit to being flippant about the "SouthPark" remark, I am definitely not naive.... Especially when it comes to the ambitions of certain organisations/methods behind whatever diplomancy was shown here. Its true here. Rice IS a puppet and yes Ush.. She IS just a fractional tip on a very, very large iceberg.
And yes it is a sad fact that stuff like this does happen everyday.
As sadly the attitude of particularly the US gov, as KD pointed out is pretty much "I'M doing the talking here, mister..." in general...

If war is an extension of failed diplomacy... Then you could assume from there track record that they fail at it a lot... And they count on the rest of the world having this notion already so every meeting has an undertone of "Weeeelll, you'd BETTER comply...'cause we feel we don't really have to bother...." Who they are right now ensures that negotiation comes with menaces.

Personally though I really don't think right now that the US could strategically or financially afford to invade Canada... They'll probably slag the Canadians of on telly and then illegally fire missles over their country.
But I think that if anyones naive, it would be the US automatically expecting Canada to automatically fall into place with their wishes regarding this thing without objection... But they aren't. Which sounds like knowing but not caring to me.....

She aint hot, I mean come on, ................. she's not hot!

Its funny considering Canadians were the leading nation in missile defense technology since the Cold War.

the prime minister wanted to join missel defence but he fas facing to much oppositition.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I dunno what people around here think diplomacy IS.

Its telling someone to ''go to hell'' in such way that they are looking forward to the trip, as that famous one liner said.

i doubt it would work anyways and there is very minor chance that a country would send a nuke at canada. Imo you can't blame the Prime minister Kharma Dog. He dosen't have majority support and if he did joimn he would lose support in Quebec and Ontario. Same about IRAQ or any other future war.

😆 That one liner seems be the case here Lil...

Imo you can't blame the Prime minister Kharma Dog. He dosen't have majority support and if he did joimn he would lose support in Quebec and Ontario. Same about IRAQ or any other future war

I wasn't blaming the prime minister for anything.

OH okay Canadians and Americans in General.