Ah, the pictue is coming into focus...
As for rules, I think it's the discretion of the monarchy or the government, isn't it? I mean, Norman Schwartzkopf was knighted for his involvment in the liberation of Kuwait. Elton John got it for his contribution to music and charity. And, Ian McKellen got it for acting.
Originally posted by Clovie
ok. and it is not the same? 😑
I'm guessing that it means they can be knighted, but not CALLED 'Sir' so and so. Like Ian McKellen can, and often is, called Sir Ian McKellen. But Schwartzkopf isn't called Sir Norman Schwartzkopf. (Or, what ever he really was awarded, just an example)
Like I said with Bill, they get to be KBEs, not sirs.
The Order of the Bath is one of the many UK chivalrous Orders, and the one foreign nationals normally get, because it allows for honourary memberships- the 'honourary' part means you can't use the Sir, but they still received a KBE (Knight of the British Empire). Most people don't bother putting KBE on their name if they have one as it is implicit from the 'Sir' or 'Dame' before their name, but if you cannot use the prefix, you use the suffix instead!
Hope that helps.
Originally posted by Clovie
i still don't understandand couldn't it be just that the guy payed some money to the english gov and has been awarded a title for that?
Er... that's not why he got it. It would be pretty much impossible to get one like that.
He's made a tremendous positive impact on the British economy, creating jobs, wealth, and opportunities. In as much as public service is worth honouring, he's done a ton of it.
The only question is whether a KBE is too far... but Labour is throwing out a lot of those these days.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Er... that's not why he got it. It would be pretty much impossible to get one like that.He's made a tremendous positive impact on the British economy, creating jobs, wealth, and opportunities. In as much as public service is worth honouring, he's done a ton of it.
The only question is whether a KBE is too far... but Labour is throwing out a lot of those these days.
ok. but if he didn't have money he wouldn't have done all that. ergo he wouldn't get the title.
so it is all about him being the richest guy in the world 🙁
Originally posted by Clovie
ok. but if he didn't have money he wouldn't have done all that. ergo he wouldn't get the title.
so it is all about him being the richest guy in the world 🙁
And if you are not a policeman or fireman you couldn't get one for providing service through that job.
Or, in my case, teaching.
There is no point moaning that people can only get awards relating to what they can do! That's just the world, not the honours system! What do you want them to be awarded for, being a good drinking buddy?
At the end of the day, these are awards given for either specific or long-term acts- and so yes, you have to be in a position to perform those acts first.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
And if you are not a policeman or fireman you couldn;t get one for providing service through that job.Or, in my case, teaching.
There is no point moaning that people can only get awards rleating to what they can do! That's just the world, not the honours system! What do you want them to be awarded for, being a good drinking buddy?
At the end of the day, these are awards given for either specific or long-term acts- and so yes, you have to be in a position to perform those acts first.
no but i used to be thinking that those kind of awards are for doing something special, and not just doing some charity (i mean the charity is important, but in his case it didn't make him much financial difference) 😬 nothing more.
Originally posted by Clovie
no but i used to be thinking that those kind of awards are for doing something special, and not just doing some charity (i mean the charity is important, but in his case it didn't make him much financial difference) 😬 nothing more.
They are awards of service to the State. Bill has performed such service. Why have it more complex than that?
As in define it is "service to the State... err, but not if the person who performed that service did it by having lots of money..."
No no no. The honours system are very simple indeed- benefit the UK and you get them. That CAN be by charity work or other such public service, but it can also be just by making the UK a better place, in any way.