Originally posted by DarkC
It's not like the entire race is bound to one belief and ideology, Satsujin. You have orc warlocks and orc shamans.If that's the case, then why aren't you dissing the concept of Undead Priests? And if you're supporting the lore, then why did you question Blizzard about whether the Paladin should be in the game in the first place?
David, You up for going to Gnomeregan?
Originally posted by DarkC
It's not like the entire race is bound to one belief and ideology, Satsujin. You have orc warlocks and orc shamans.If that's the case, then why aren't you dissing the concept of Undead Priests? And if you're supporting the lore, then why did you question Blizzard about whether the Paladin should be in the game in the first place?
actually I have long dissed the concept of undead priest...
I questioned the gameplay aspect of paladin.. 'not' the story aspect.. theres a difference...
the paladins gameplay is not NEEDed.. its optional... there are no abilities that you cant do without....(such as warrior tanking, mage dps, rogue dps, priest healing, druidic healing)...
storywise.. its total crap that blood elves can be paladins... they stole the light? give me a break.. it sounds like a power ranger episode
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
actually I have long dissed the concept of undead priest...I questioned the gameplay aspect of paladin.. 'not' the story aspect.. theres a difference...
the paladins gameplay is not NEEDed.. its optional... there are no abilities that you cant do without....(such as warrior tanking, mage dps, rogue dps, priest healing, druidic healing)...
storywise.. its total crap that blood elves can be paladins... they stole the light? give me a break.. it sounds like a power ranger episode
I don't think it's crap. Why? Again, they're trying to balance the game out. This was a topic of concern among my real-life WoW-playing friends one time. I think it'd be an excellent move and promotion for the new races, being able to play classes once only restricted to the opposite faction. Besides, I can see them fitting into the lore.
Originally posted by DarkC
You're assuming that the Paladin's skills should be solely committed to the way they contribute in groups. They're not specialized in any way, but do they absolutely have to be? No. They're one of the best soloing classes in the game and do excellent as a support class. It really wouldn't surprise me if you started shitting on the shamans as well.I don't think it's crap. Why? Again, they're trying to balance the game out. This was a topic of concern among my real-life WoW-playing friends one time. I think it'd be an excellent move and promotion for the new races, being able to play classes once only restricted to the opposite faction. Besides, I can see them fitting into the lore.
.... not specialized?... isnt that what "talents" are for? /gasp... oh my bad.. paladins dont benefit from talents the way other classes do... maybe thats just balance though 🙂
shamans on the other hand can actually spec dps and 'get' dps
I saw a dps sham smoke a fully buffed paladin in 3 casts.. that would never go for a paladin... which is mostly what annoys me
the fact that out of the entire universe... the two races joining the crew have met up with naaru is completely absurd... but perhaps my standards of lore are too high.. simply because I ask for consistency
Originally posted by DarkC
Lemme guess, you want Toxic Revenger?And not sure if I can go there. I threw out my Goblin Transponder ages ago.
No, Quest.
Toxic Revenger Blows. I Want my Quest Pants that Give me +18 Agility +6 Stanima +3 Str....
And If I am in a party with you, you can take my transponder.
i agree with ya ther Sat, its a really bad move, the paladin only stands and fights for whats good, and somehow they'r now in alliance with the undead forsaken, you cant just steal the light, blizzard seem to be running out of ideas lately, we dont want pally horde, we want Death Knight hordes, and some new class for the alliance, oh well good thing I try to duel every paladin i see, soon the real deal will start, but it really sucks alliance have paladins and horde shammans and thats one of the main things that makes the factions unique in their own way.
Who Cares?
Who gives two shits?
Does it make sense that A ****ing Undead Can Die And Be Revived but is yet still Undead?!
Does it make sense that there is an Undead Priest?
Its a Game, And Horde people wanted Pallys so they got them.
Horde Players bitched they couldn't make Palys and Alliance Bitched because of Shamens.
Get over it, the games still amazing.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
.... not specialized?... isnt that what "talents" are for? /gasp... oh my bad.. paladins dont benefit from talents the way other classes do... maybe thats just balance though 🙂shamans on the other hand can actually spec dps and 'get' dps
I saw a dps sham smoke a fully buffed paladin in 3 casts.. that would never go for a paladin... which is mostly what annoys me
the fact that out of the entire universe... the two races joining the crew have met up with naaru is completely absurd... but perhaps my standards of lore are too high.. simply because I ask for consistency
You're not being very specific. I'm assuming that the paladin was Stormstriked out of his pants and that the Shaman there had full +Spell Damage gear, plus buffed with +%Spell Crit.
You stress consistency with the lore of Warcraft, yet not long ago you were banned by a Blizzard Mod from their forums for questioning the validity of whether the Paladin class belongs in WoW?
Originally posted by The_Highlord
i agree with ya ther Sat, its a really bad move, the paladin only stands and fights for whats good, and somehow they'r now in alliance with the undead forsaken, you cant just steal the light, blizzard seem to be running out of ideas lately, we dont want pally horde, we want Death Knight hordes, and some new class for the alliance, oh well good thing I try to duel every paladin i see, soon the real deal will start, but it really sucks alliance have paladins and horde shammans and thats one of the main things that makes the factions unique in their own way.
Don't be so shortsighted. Just because you see a Paladin class meddling with the Undead, you automatically think they don't belong? Think again; there's a pretty thin line between the Undead Forsaken and the Undead Scourge. Why do you think they call themselves the Forsaken? It's because it's exactly what they are; they're like possessed people who were made to do evil things, suddenly regain their free will again. Maybe some of them were good humans once, which probably explains the concept of Undead Priests. They absolutely hate Arthas. In fact, Sylvana's Undead swore to get back at Arthas above nearly all other races. And Paladins, they probably hate Undead but they crave power too, thus turning towards the horde. If being allied with Undead who actually aren't evil (Seriously, the abominations in the Undercity giving you directions.) will aid them in their quest for power and revenge, so be it.
No, no, no. What mostly makes each faction unique is the races themselves. Racial traits, capital cities, interaction, quest motives. You name it. I really hope you're not just looking at the surface here to openly acknowledge that there are just diffence classes for each faction.
You don't want "pally horde"? I don't see why the hell they shouldn't be allowed. It doesn't interfere with the lore for those to look into depth with a bit of logic/reasoning. It adds a nice balance to the game in terms of classes.
Oh, final note to Satsujin and TH. Have you noticed that this is a WoW Guild Thread, gentlemen? I don't see you offering to sign up, only that you're in here complaining about violating game lore or iffy game mechanics. So keep this anti-WoW conspiracy garbage out of this thread, there's a perfectly ripe World of Warcraft general thread to talk about this in.
I'll be surprised if you even play this game anymore, the impression you're giving me. Think you know better than the company who made this game and maintains it? Think again.
Originally posted by DarkC
You're not being very specific. I'm assuming that the paladin was Stormstriked out of his pants and that the Shaman there had full +Spell Damage gear, plus buffed with +%Spell Crit.You stress consistency with the lore of Warcraft, yet not long ago you were banned by a Blizzard Mod from their forums for questioning the validity of whether the Paladin class belongs in WoW?
Wrong. The Paladin only stands and fights for what he/she thinks is good. Have you not played WarCraft III: Frozen Throne? A good chunk out of the Blood Elf civilization is gone. Their capital city was pretty much razed to pieces and their Sunwell abused by Arthas. They're bitter, and they're going insane for magic.
Don't be so shortsighted. Just because you see a Paladin class meddling with the Undead, you automatically think they don't belong? Think again; there's a pretty thin line between the Undead Forsaken and the Undead Scourge. Why do you think they call themselves the Forsaken? It's because it's exactly what they are; they're like possessed people who were made to do evil things, suddenly regain their free will again. Maybe some of them were good humans once, which probably explains the concept of Undead Priests. They absolutely hate Arthas. In fact, Sylvana's Undead swore to get back at Arthas above nearly all other races. And Paladins, they probably hate Undead but they crave power too, thus turning towards the horde. If being allied with Undead who actually aren't evil (Seriously, the abominations in the Undercity giving you directions.) will aid them in their quest for power and revenge, so be it.
No, no, no. What mostly makes each faction unique is the races themselves. Racial traits, capital cities, interaction, quest motives. You name it. I really hope you're not just looking at the surface here to openly acknowledge that there are just diffence classes for each faction.
You don't want "pally horde"? I don't see why the hell they shouldn't be allowed. It doesn't interfere with the lore for those to look into depth with a bit of logic/reasoning. It adds a nice balance to the game in terms of classes.
Oh, final note to Satsujin and TH. Have you noticed that this is a WoW Guild Thread, gentlemen? I don't see you offering to sign up, only that you're in here complaining about violating game lore or iffy game mechanics. So keep this anti-WoW conspiracy garbage out of this thread, there's a perfectly ripe World of Warcraft general thread to talk about this in.
I'll be surprised if you even play this game anymore, the impression you're giving me. Think you know better than the company who made this game and maintains it? Think again.
- No, the paladin was decked out in judgement
- Yes I want lore consistency.. why else do you think I'd complain about paladins being forced to support? check out the Fordring family for what paladins used to be
- "Pally Horde" ?... I just dont think blood elves deserve "Pally" with all their demonism... orcs would make better pallys IMO... they have a lil thing called Honor..
- Of course you'd view a differing opinion as Anti-wow.. perhaps you should work for blizzard, possibly gathering brownie points from the mods along the way as well, hmm?
- Heh.. you veered teh subject towards "Forsaken" which is silly and moot... a long dead annoyance of mine that I no longer wish to discuss
- Pallys dont fight for 'whatever' they think is right.. thats called a death knight, or scarlet paladin.. what is "right" is dictated by the light..not your personal goals
- Honestly the two of you are the ones who blew it out of proportion.. I made a simple statement of my dislike.. and the both of you felt the need to pile on me for it... I shouldnt reply?.. tsk
- I know whats logical... and I know that blizz is getting money regardless of how much sense the game makes.. you dont see me offering suggestions in the forum or anything, do you?
- To keep this to the point.. if you wish to reply just rez the other wow thread, so as not to continue 'this' in this particular thread 🙂 since it apparently angers so many people (i.e. you and your scout)
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- No, the paladin was decked out in judgement- Yes I want lore consistency.. why else do you think I'd complain about paladins being forced to support? check out the Fordring family for what paladins used to be
- "Pally Horde" ?... I just dont think blood elves deserve "Pally" with all their demonism... orcs would make better pallys IMO... they have a lil thing called Honor..
- Of course you'd view a differing opinion as Anti-wow.. perhaps you should work for blizzard, possibly gathering brownie points from the mods along the way as well, hmm?
- Heh.. you veered teh subject towards "Forsaken" which is silly and moot... a long dead annoyance of mine that I no longer wish to discuss
- Pallys dont fight for 'whatever' they think is right.. thats called a death knight, or scarlet paladin.. what is "right" is dictated by the light..not your personal goals
- Honestly the two of you are the ones who blew it out of proportion.. I made a simple statement of my dislike.. and the both of you felt the need to pile on me for it... I shouldnt reply?.. tsk
- I know whats logical... and I know that blizz is getting money regardless of how much sense the game makes.. you dont see me offering suggestions in the forum or anything, do you?
- To keep this to the point.. if you wish to reply just rez the other wow thread, so as not to continue 'this' in this particular thread 🙂 since it apparently angers so many people (i.e. you and your scout)
Did you just call me a scout 😐
He's telling me to keep it in the other thread after I just told him to, and posting it in this one to boot.
I really don't see how that make sense. I really don't.
Anyways, Vinny, I'd be happy to run you through Gnomeregan if you come on tomorrow morning. Get a good night's sleep for once.
+18 Agility is damn good for a level 29. Triprunner Dungarees, right?
Originally posted by DarkC
He's telling me to keep it in the other thread after I just told him to, and posting it in this one to boot.I really don't see how that make sense. I really don't.
Anyways, Vinny, I'd be happy to run you through Gnomeregan if you come on tomorrow morning. Get a good night's sleep for once.
+18 Agility is damn good for a level 29. Triprunner Dungarees, right?
Yeah, But I'm level 31.
And Also, I don't have the game anymore, But..... I Get it back Saterday...
So, How about next week?>