storm VS flash

okay I really don't know how to quote people, but nigel45 says that "We're talking miles and miles and miles of distance between Storm and Flash for any of that to work in accordance with that equation."
Not necessarily, we all assume that dc has ignored the laws of physics and the flash doesn't need to accelerate. So he has to start out at zero before he can reach subluminal speed. Yeah I have seen what he can do in the comics, which is a mathematical impossibility in most cases. but we have to assume that he is not always moving at light speed it requires to much energy. He may be standing still, or cruising at 350mph. I know about that famous aura that they invented to explain his powers. it doesn't explain a lot of things. Like how can he breathe at that rate of speed. That's why when you look at old school speedster they can only go 100mph. Humans can't breathe in open air at mach 1. Not even at 300mph. Anyway you have seen nightwing in the comic catch wally with a bola, and kid flash get shot in the knee by deathstroke. He can't run at lightspeed forever. And since storm is going all out in an open area--there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. even throwing objects at light speed will not work because once it leaves his aura it is subject to friction, torrent winds, rain, hail and the durability of storms x-suit. he might as well try to hit her with a piece of paper and a rubberband.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Well, then you must not be very learned then!

I spent some time in the mid-west in 2004 (when the tornados were raging through Oklahoma and Kansas). Let me tell you what those twisters did.
They took grass and straw, and drove it THROUGH WOODEN DOORS!
It was insane.
After the storm there were grass blades jutting out of some doors.

If a twister can do that, what the heck can something moving at light speed do.

With sufficient speed a small object can cause amazing damage (our anti-missile defence system has a velocity kill vehicle that has no explosive. It uses sheer kinetic energy to destroy incoming nuclear warheads. It basically hits the incoming nuke at high mach speed, totally disintegrating the enemy warhead into cosmic dust. It literally atomizes the target, with nothing but a small object moving at amazing speed).

Imagine what the Flash could do?

And grass has killed people unfortunate enough to be in the midst of a twister. And these blades of grass and straw were not even going faster than 250mph. Imagine a blade of grass, protected by the speed force so it doesn't burn up, travelling at a fraction the speed of light towards Storm's cranium? Imagine a field of grass heading up towards her.
Remember the Flash can impart the speed force to objects, and he is fast enough to literally rip up every blade of grass in a several mile area and throw them up at Storm (in JLA:Trial by Fire he rescued an entire city by picking up people in ones and twos, and evacuating them miles away, in a fraction of a second while a nuclear detonation occured. He rescued 500,000 people in 0.001 of a second. If he can do that it would be nothing to pick up hundreds of thousands blades of grass and turning Storm into a mutant pincushion).

Not to mention The Flash managed to get them within safe distance away from the explosion. And he wasn't even in the area at that time. He was in America trying shut off the nuclear weapon system.

Originally posted by ebonyblade1
okay I really don't know how to quote people, but nigel45 says that "We're talking miles and miles and miles of distance between Storm and Flash for any of that to work in accordance with that equation."
Not necessarily, we all assume that dc has ignored the laws of physics and the flash doesn't need to accelerate. So he has to start out at zero before he can reach subluminal speed. Yeah I have seen what he can do in the comics, which is a mathematical impossibility in most cases. but we have to assume that he is not always moving at light speed it requires to much energy. He may be standing still, or cruising at 350mph. I know about that famous aura that they invented to explain his powers. it doesn't explain a lot of things. Like how can he breathe at that rate of speed. That's why when you look at old school speedster they can only go 100mph. Humans can't breathe in open air at mach 1. Not even at 300mph. Anyway you have seen nightwing in the comic catch wally with a bola, and kid flash get shot in the knee by deathstroke. He can't run at lightspeed forever. And since storm is going all out in an open area--there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. even throwing objects at light speed will not work because once it leaves his aura it is subject to friction, torrent winds, rain, hail and the durability of storms x-suit. he might as well try to hit her with a piece of paper and a rubberband.

Wrong. The aura can be imparted to any object he desires. The Flash can run at lightspeed for a very long time. He once transcended lightspeed for several weeks nonstop in order to find Shimmer.

k but how can he throw something at the speed of thought?? he doesn't have super strength. it will move fast but hardly at the speed of thought. storm never stays in one spot during a fight. and spet how do any of us know what the grass looked like you were the only one there

You don't seem to understand. The aura he projects makes the object go into hyper velocity. It has nothing to do with strength.

Flash has thrown bricks at Deathstoke at lightspeed. There's really no arguing this point.

Storm will be knocked out before she knows what hits her. A brick at Mach 10. She can't dodge nor react to that. ( And Mach 10 would be a mercy killing)

k but still grass?? that is beyond the stupidest thing ever said, and thee terrain is miles and miles long as I said before. and she will see him packing it all in and then she can hit it.if he doesn't pack it in then it will all be separate and will prolly miss her. also storm can deflect attacks but since it is moving so fast maybe she can't do it this time.

It's because of his speed he can throw objects so fast. Imagine you're up in the air and a red streak is firing a machine gun stream of debris at you. Those dirt clods have to at least feel like bean bag rounds, which according to this article are supposed to feel like a punch from Mike Tyson.

And the actual packing process would take a fraction of a second. She's not going to realize what he's doing until a few have been lobbed at her already.

i'm not sure but i think we were talkin about like 20 miles of grass packed onto one big ball type thing but how can he pack it all together. his best chance is throwing that grass blades at her and they are so small they definitley have a chance of missing

You really don't seem to understand. A hundred thousand grass blades going at lightspeed. Storm would not be able to dodge it, react to it or counter it. It's impossible. A grass blade at 250 mph has been labeled to go through brick walls. A grass blade at light speed will go right through her. Along with the unavoidable wave of grass blades that supplement it.

i know all that i said because they are so small most of them might miss

Some of them might miss. But most of them wouldn't. It's like trying to dodge rain.

Like I said, Storm's only hope is a fight in a location where Flash has to rely solely on his powers and has no objects to throw at her, like a barren arena with boundaries. Any conventional encounter goes to Flash. If they got teleported to a place with only an atmosphere and a surface to stand/walk/run on and were told to fight, Storm would win.

OH MY GOD i have been reading this thread and am in shock of peoples ignorance!!!

QUOTE: stormfront13 (to name one)
"k but still grass?? that is beyond the stupidest thing ever said, and thee terrain is miles and miles long as I said before. and she will see him packing it all in and then she can hit it.if he doesn't pack it in then it will all be separate and will prolly miss her. also storm can deflect attacks but since it is moving so fast maybe she can't do it this time."

listen do you people (the ignorant ones) understand that when Flash runs, time STOPS and moves incredibly slow and will take minutes for 1 second to pass.
Now knowing this do you honestly think that Storm can see the man run around colecting grass bunduling it into a base ball throw it at her and knock her off her ass !!!!

NO SHE WONT!!!

The only thing that that weather forcaster can do is controll weather.
In a fight if the bell rings and your opponent has allready knocked you out before the sound of the bell goes away do you honestly think you ever had a chance!

Stop trying to make points just cause you like the character this isnt going to help there personal status and its not going to make them stronger or faster.

Point being even if Storm does start off in rain ,hail, sleet, now, up in the air ...its a bird its a plane ...WHATEVER
Time WILL freeze for that split second and she would have not even seen or thought about any attaks coming !!!

Oh and about oh she will be to high in the air blah blah blah!
Do you realize that Flash can run on air...YES...on air
his feet move so fast that he can step on it.

I forget what comic of JLA it is that Flash is up in space(with a space suit) and hes on the moon or something. Any ways his ship has began to leave him behind and is already up in the air. well since in space there is no air you know what he does......... in that split second he takes moon dust throws it torwards the space ship and uses it as steps to run on to get to the space ship!!! dust yo ....DUST!

I am pretty sure that everyone that is in agreement with me is still wondering why you people keep on insisting that that weather fairy has a chance!

Sorry if i seem hostile but i was left with no choice
no hard feelings.

No, the aura can't be imparted to anything. Every bio say he has to be touching the object. You must be talking about his kinetic energy control. That only works if it is in his wake. He can give speed to it or take speed from it but he can't throw it. So he either drags objects behind him at his speed or steals there speed and move past it. Like jay garrick did to black adam when he wanted to go thru time. He can throw things at a decent speed, but he can not throw it any faster than the environment will allow because the aura is a proximity thing. So essentially whatever he throws at storm she will be able to send it right back to him. "Transcend lightspeed for several weeks" ? That doesn't make any sense I saw when he rescued the 500,000 in 0.001 seconds, I also saw that he was clearly exhausted. I need to read that story--I am sure that when you transcend lightspeed you actually enter into the speed force so he is not on this plane of existence. It is different since the speed force will either sustain him or absorb him. But in this plane of existence where the fight is actually going on he will not be able to sustain lightspeed for long and even if he can--which I seriously doubt--Ororo can tap into the electrical field of the earth itself. she can literally swat the entire fighting area with an electric grid. It would be like a bug running into a zapper. Oh and contrary to popular belief the yellow streak that you see when the flash runs is not lightning and he is not invulnerable to electricity.

No Incorect he does not have to be holding it or have it in his path! the Flash can take or give speed energies to outside objects or people.......Yes even grass made base balls!!

okay the grass throwing against someone that can control wind is just dumb. You are a fan of the flash and you don't know how his power works. And i can understand you may not had in physics, so that's no big deal. But I am placing all my bets on knowledge of each of their powers and what little physics the comics use in their particular universe. You are litterally grasping for straws trying to figure out how the flash can beat storm. I am sure you can figure out that while he is running in air he is not running at full speed. That makes him susceptible to storms power. He is not grounded but since storm can control the direction and intensity of the lightning she put out, she can hit him with a direct hit and fry him, or stun him or stop his heart with just the smallest amount of electricity.

Originally posted by stormfront13
k but how can he throw something at the speed of thought?? he doesn't have super strength. it will move fast but hardly at the speed of thought. storm never stays in one spot during a fight. and spet how do any of us know what the grass looked like you were the only one there

I am replying to the part where you state: "...and spet how do any of us know what the grass looked like you were the only one there."

Are you calling me a liar?
Let me tell you something, when those sirens go off and the TV reports a funnel has touched down 15 miles from where you are, things start getting hairy.
Even though the twister might be miles away it still feels as if a freight train is running through your front yard.

And as for the twister driving straw through wood.
Ok, you say that how can you know that since i was 'the only one there.'

Well, if you decided to do a simple search on the many effects of a tornado, you would find out that one of them is its ability to drive everything from planks of wood to blades of grass through solid objects as if they were bullets.
You would learn that most people killed by twisters are finished by flying debris going at between 100-250 mph.
You would learn that small pebbles are driven through walls.
And that grass is driven into trees as if the grass was made of solid steel.

Knowledge is your friend.
Use some of the time you would normally spend on KillerMoviesForum debating if Thor is stronger than Superman to try and educate yourself on matters beyond comic books before you come here and call me a liar.

yeah well, I am tired of arguing. let him throw anything he wants. when she taps into earth's electrical grid the field she use to destroy him and protect herself will not allow anything through. I do not care what speed and what he throws with the exception of adamantium. Lightning will burn thru it. People who walk away from lightning strikes never get hit with the full force of it. If a human being was actually struch by lightning. They would be incinerated.

If he was running full speed she wouldnt see him at all
Not running at full speed, is still a speed which she cannot see!

And I dont know anything about him...PLEASE!

Look i can drop knowledge on any speedster, backgrounds and their powers in the DC Universe just ask...

dont insult my intelegence!

"yeah well, I am tired of arguing. let him throw anything he wants. when she taps into earth's electrical grid the field she use to destroy him and protect herself will not allow anything through. I do not care what speed and what he throws with the exception of adamantium. Lightning will burn thru it. People who walk away from lightning strikes never get hit with the full force of it. If a human being was actually struch by lightning. They would be incinerated."

All of these things that you guys are claiming are true, they could hurt him. But how are you going to hurt something that is so fast, that it kills you by the time you realize what you're going to do? Also, who cares if she is in the air? When on an alien world with his only way off a transporter beam which had sweeped past his point of departure moments before he arrived, He quickly scooped up a handful of sand and tossed it into the sky, then ran up the falling grains of sand to reach the beam before it winked out. Meaning he could reach her even if she started off the fight in the air, maybe by using grass this time instead of sand. Storm could beat him, given she had the time, and that's the one major thing that Flash definetely has more control over.