The problem is that the younger generation doesn't know anything but CGI. We old schoolers can remember a time before CGI so we have a greater appreciation for the amount of work put into the OT. I don't think that the release of the PT has diminished the importance of the OT on the film industry because without th OT we wouldn't have the PT. To put it another way, without the OT we may not have had the Special Effects revolution that GL spurred forward. However, to answer the original Q I don't think that the Younglings will be able to comprehend going from 100% CGI to Stop Motion Photography. Its kinda sad if you really sit down and think about it. I have just decided to look at the movies as Two separate trilogies and not a saga, it kinda makes it easier for me to enjoy the PT and still LOVE the OT.
I don't give a damn if I'm considered old or young, I didn't see the old classics in the cinema. I was born in 1980...I grew up with them at home at vcr. So I really know what the difference is between CGI and the special effects in the OT. It looks much more realistic and less than a videogame like the PT. The opening in A New Hope is just overwhelming...looks so real when the Tantive IV and that giant Star Destroyer fly over. Stop Motion...yeah it's a real drag to make thing in stop motion. It was very good done if you see those AT-AT's, except for the early model of the AT-ST who walks by. Maybe they should have left that out, but I respect the work they've done for it. The space battle in ROTJ kicks ass! How they did it....wow...must have been a very tough job. But what I don't like of some of the old generation is that they consider themselves to be better, wiser than the young generation. Cause some here (I know at least one, not talking about myself) probably knows a lot more than most of the old generation.
Originally posted by CascadorDude I wasn't trying to trash you or any thing like that. 🙁
I don't give a damn if I'm considered old or young, I didn't see the old classics in the cinema. I was born in 1980...I grew up with them at home at vcr. So I really know what the difference is between CGI and the special effects in the OT. It looks much more realistic and less than a videogame like the PT. The opening in A New Hope is just overwhelming...looks so real when the Tantive IV and that giant Star Destroyer fly over. Stop Motion...yeah it's a real drag to make thing in stop motion. It was very good done if you see those AT-AT's, except for the early model of the AT-ST who walks by. Maybe they should have left that out, but I respect the work they've done for it. The space battle in ROTJ kicks ass! How they did it....wow...must have been a very tough job. But what I don't like of some of the old generation is that they consider themselves to be better, wiser than the young generation. Cause some here (I know at least one, not talking about myself) probably knows a lot more than most of the old generation.
I was talking in general...not precisely at you jedijunky1138, but I've see how a lot of people and not just on the KMC consider themselves better and wiser just because they saw the OT in the cinema. And it isn't "OLD HAT" to me and many young star wars fan...Like I said I may not have see the films in the cinema...but I grew with them. I had the action figures, the movies and most of all I like them from the beginning I saw them. My favorite is still the empire strikes back, and many agree on that because at this moment it's the darkest most dramatic in the OT (altho some say it's ROTJ which is the darkest and most dramatic)
Yeah i think people view it way differntly today. A girl in my Philosophy class(of course she was from South Africa) metioned that she had never seen as starwars movie and gathering from what clips she saw from Episode 1 she thought it was a movie series ment for kids. Everyone else in the class was shocked what she said, and the professor said, "yeah of course the force exists!" Everyone got it but her.
The first SW movie i saw was when i was 3 and i watched ROTJ on videotape. Yeah the Jabba Scenes were a bit scary for that age but the movie left me wanting to see the others. From then on the rest is history
Well I saw ANH first I think about when I was 5...I actually considered Star Wars to be a Top Gun in space movie. Cause I was really amazed by the space battle in the end and I compared it to the air-battle at the end of Top Gun. When I became a little older and understood more, it became clearer to me what Star Wars is about. At that moment I heard about a lava fight. And I was dissapointed it wasn't in the movie. Cause it was suppose to be in ROTJ, and there was no news about prequels yet.
from now on i will watch them 1-6....but i'm glad i grew up with the ot, and now the pt after....i do like the political themes in the pt, that's a lot deeper than it was in the ot....i was thinking the other day that if lucas' reason for making the ot was to awaken religious feelings in the youth of that time, then maybe his reason for making the pt is to awaken political awareness in the youth of today....i like the sound of that....
i was very pleased to hear ian mcdiarmid say that the pt was basically a comment on bush and the modern american political situation....but that lucas wasn't in a position to come right out and say it bluntly.....but anyone who wants a debate, i'll be going to bed in a minute so i won't be here to duke it out....thankfully....anyway, even if we disagree politically, my previous statement should still hold true from anyone's point of view....
the success of anh was a great deal to do with how natural the cast were, because no one knew what star wars was, so there was no self-consciousness....the pt is VERY self-conscious and a bit awkward by comparison....there was no way to avoid that really....this makes it very hard to compare them honestly....it flavours everything....
and yeah, i find it weird when people rate ep I and II as their favourite's and rank anh and esb last....i don't judge them for it, but it's just such a totally different perspective to mine....it's interesting....i can't imagine what it must be like....
Well i am 21 years old, and i saw them as they were released, 456123. Unfortunately there was a downside - and it was a BIG downside. For some reason - maybe it was the fact i was so young when i first watched the OT and never really understood the story - but for whatever reason, i ALWAYS KNEW vader was lukes father. When i look back now i am disappointed that i never had that shock factor in that one scene.
But oh well, i cant complain - i got the excitement of the Special Edition OT in the cinemas, followed by the news of the PT, and have since been to both opening nights and plan to again for ROTS.
because it is clearly telegraphed via film subtext in anh....and to think that some people still swear that lucas only invented the whole father/son thing when writing esb....ah well, what can you do....i think i always knew deep down as well, but it was all in the subconscious, as things are when you're 7 or 8 years old....best way to experience it....and i'm still very grateful i had the chance to see it that way myself....
One of my greatest memories will always be the summer of 77.
Its sad that the kids of the future will never see the original versions and only the SE.
Luckily though they will have been spared those agonizing three year waits between movies,we kids of the 70s had to wait a long time to find out if Han survived the freezing process etc
we didnt have the benefit of watching JEDI immediatley after Empire.
My son 10 years of age saw them in 456, then 1 and 2. He is in for the long haul and me being that 7 year old kid back when it was released I wouldnt have it any other way.
But after its all said and done I want to watch them in order....
Personally I feel that this was one of the best, if not the best story ever told on film. Next to Lord of the Rings. But lets face it this is a story about a man who sells his soul to the devil but then is redeemed because of the unconditioinal love of his children.
For him to travers such a wicked path to return to grace and fulfill his destiny as the chosen on is an awsome inspiring story.
I honestly feel there is too much of a stigma being attached to which generation you fall into. I personally think that its a matter of when you saw the movies in your lifetime. By that I mean, alot of people saw these movies as a kid and they have the great benefit of viewing them with a kids glee and abandon, something I'll never have and I wish I did at times. No matter what generation you come from everyone here is a fan or we wouldnt be here. Our perspectives are just different alot of times. 🙂
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I honestly feel there is too much of a stigma being attached to which generation you fall into. I personally think that its a matter of when you saw the movies in your lifetime. By that I mean, alot of people saw these movies as a kid and they have the great benefit of viewing them with a kids glee and abandon, something I'll never have and I wish I did at times. No matter what generation you come from everyone here is a fan or we wouldnt be here. Our perspectives are just different alot of times. 🙂
well said!
Well said by all....including JP....
The fact is, the PT will never be as good, nor as....hmm, well, as dynamic and exciting as the OT was....
I mean, when you first saw those opening crawl texts in the 70's and the 80's, (and the 90's for the SE), you were transfixed: "What is this?" And then when that glorified shot of the Tantive panning over the camera, being chased by the Star Destroyer....it looked real, and exciting, and it was new and strange in those days, when Special Effects were usually cheap and horribly done. The OT's was cheap, but they did it right, and it was all so new and exciting....
It was the same for most of TPM's cool CGI work....but now, Star Wars is almost ALL CGI, so there's nothing new and exciting about seeing one of the movies now....I mean, even ESB and RotJ outclass AotC, because they brought even better visual effects and better storytelling to the table....AotC, and probably RotS, have not and/or maybe will not.
I dont think its fair to try to lump ROTS in there with the rest of the PT. I know its part of it, but just from the trailer, its pretty safe to say it will far surpass the other two. I foresee this movie equaling ESB, which is the best movie IMO. The only thing, and i mean ONLY thing that ROTS cant deliver that the ESB did, is that magnitude of a surprise....unless they try to do that shit with Palps being Anakins dad....which will make me leave the theater.