WHO IS THE CHOOSEN ONE?

Don't get me wrong, Anakin does go through a lot, maybe more than Luke. I just think the story would be better if it turned out that Luke and Leia were the Choosen "One's" and the Jedi were wrong about Anakin.....but Lucas said that won't happen, oh well.

Yeah, I can see you point but that would kill the prophesy a bit. I think the prophesy is clear enough when it says the ONE who will being balance.

I have an ally, yipppeeee. Go JO.

And one could argue Luke DOES bring balance. He is the first to turn from using power by the Dark Side. He uses his hate and anger to defeat Vader, yet he refuses to turn. He chooses the Light Side, then Vader sees that that is possible and turns back as well. Balance is restored, Dark Side is no longer "the path of no return". Killing off Palpy is then merely a formality.

So in other words balance is restored when VADER/ANAKIN turns back? In my mind this means that Anakin indeed is the choosen one, since his turning back brings balance to the force. Just as the prophesy said.

And if Papatine had been allowed to live on then that wouldn't have been balance. I think the balance only comes with the destruction of Palpatine, he would never have just rolled over and given up.

Balance to the Force!!!! Remember, not to the universe political stability.

Yoda said very clearly: "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will." OB1 warned Luke: "Don't give into hate, that leads to the Dark Side."
Luke DID give into hate in the ROTJ duel and he turned back. THEN, and only then, Vader did. They controlled the Dark Side, both of them but Luke first, and let the Light Side triumph. That is the crucial scene of the saga. Yoda also said that the Dark Side was NOT stronger. Luke and Anakin proved that. Once they conquered the Dark Side within them, defeating Palpy was not a huge effort anymore. Anakin had turned but only due to Luke who turned first. If Vader turned right after his hand was cut off and charged Palpy, I'm pretty sure he would have been killed instantly. But both Vader and Palpy believed Vader was loyal then, Vader changed his mind when Palpy was too occupied feeding his hate, catching the Emperor of guard. Therefore, a mere formality. The battle had been won right before Vader killed Palpy.

Yeah, but Anakin was still the Chosen One... that may sound flippant to just say, but it ties in with my MC theory. Luke was a conduit via which the Chosen Onwe could do his work- he shouldn't have been necessary, but he was.

I should say that I still see Luke as being every bit as important as Anakin, in the scheme of things. But it was still only Anakin that was the Chosen One; no matter what had happened, Luke couldn't have brought balance; only enabled Anakin to.

Luke could have, but George decided not to. So there.

Actually, am I the only one who thinks SW didn't need this prophecy thing? Also, I think there is something wrong with the entire picture. Prophecy, Chosen One, Deliverer. Aren't these concepts from religion and mythology that refer to someone who will bring a people out of bondage, set them free from suffering? Anakin does not really do that, now does he. He causes harm and causes suffering. But as I can see now in TPM there doesn't really seem to be a need for "balance in the force". The disruption of balance still has to take place, and Anakin will help make it happen. And THEN he will balance it again. It's a bit daft, SW could easily have done without it.

Well personally think Anakin is the chosen one. Although at first his actions bring less balance to the force, his actions do start off a chain of events that eventually do bring balance to the force. Without him there that never would have happened. I guess it all comes back to destiny really. He was predestined to turn to the dark side, was predestined to have Luke as a son and was predestined to destroy Palpatine. Cant argue with Destiny!

Now, good old queeq has touched upon a point that I have mentioned once before, and has always bugged me. He is right; Anakin brings balance to something that he unbal;anced in the first place! My metaphor is that Anakin burnt down the forest, then planeted a new one. Fair enough, but you'll have no proper forest for a hundred years. Easier to have left it there in the first place, yeah?

The only possible justification for Anakin being a hero rather than merely a redeemed villain is if the Emperor would have come to power anyway; Vader or no Vader. Seeing as Vader is the one who killed the Jedi, I find that dubious, but it is what we will have to stick with, or the set-up doesn'twork

Anakin IS the chosen one. That is fact, I don't really like it, but so be it. All I'm saying is that we didn't need the prophecy. I know GL likes mythology and stuff, but he doesn't have to drag EVERYTHING in. SW clearly can do without and then you can easily throw around phrases like "it is your dessssssssssssstiny" without being bothered. It sounds cool.

why does the chosen one have to be a good guy? Mace Windu doesn't even seem to know when he speaks in Episode I? He only says "you speak of the one who will bring balance to the force" not "you speak of the one who will bring balance to the good side of the force." It seems to me that everybody has already presumed that the chosen one was a being of the good side. Anakin did bring a literal balance to the force. Before the reign of Palpatine the Jedi flourished in numbers while the sith had supposedly been "extinct for a mellenium." As stated before the count came down to Obi-Wan and Yoda vs Vader and Palpatine. The balance in the force was that between the good side and the dark side.

Evil brought unbalance in the force(darkside) according to GL himself. And of course they speak of the good side of the force, if the prophesy had predicted evil/darkness then the Jedi Council would have been on the edge and never allowed Anakin to become a padawan. More like eliminated him as a threat.

Yes, stoned4ever. This has been discussed to death. Your concept of "balance of the force" is a misinterpretation of what GL means with balance. Balance of the Force is light side only, he said so himself. So once again: balance of the force is NOT, I repeat NOT, a balance between good and evil.

I don't think that's really a fair assessment JO..considering that we don't know as much about Anakin..IMHO.

queeq- I wasn't saying that there is a small chance that Anakin isn't the Chosen One. You and I ar both certain that he is.

I'm just saying that from what we know of it so far, the Chosen One was a complete waste of time.

Another good/bad balance guy... we need some way to let people know some of the things the rest of us take gor granted.

Chosen One a waste of time? Amen. Ush, you're my hero after all. 😂

We don't only take that balance-thing for granted, the Great Bearded and Flanelled One has spoken on this one and that is LAW.

One of the things that has made Star Wars so special is Lucas's reliance on mythological themes. Lucas uses heavily off of the themes presented by the great mythological professor Joseph Campbell and these themes can be seen through the entire saga already. Lucas is just continuing with these themes and making them stronger in his use of the ideas of the chosen one, virgin birth, and prophecies. Therefore the mythological motifs are not a waste of time because they make what was once just a campy sci-fi adventure into something more meaningful.

Hey, Dr. yodaman, great to see you! How're the studies doing?

Anyway, I agree with you on the mythological themes, but I also feel GL doesn't need to use EVERY mythological element. I doubt that it was necessary, however mythological as it may be.

Um.. I wasn't making out that the PRINCIPLE was a waste of time. Far from it. Merely the operation- Anakin corrects a situation that only he himself created. What a useless prophecy. Of course, more may be revealed...

I esem to be being misinterpreted a lot lately.