Now this is interesting.
The catch with Apocalypse is that you can't really defeat him through physical means. You have to attack him through psionics or attack his molecular cohesion. Anything less won't really harm him, and even attacking him psionicly is a task because he has established a bit of a psionic minefield for telepaths that try to harm him. Apocalypse's versatility makes him a serious threat in this battle.
Thanos is exceedingly strong himself, and stated that he was weary of the day he'd battle Hulk (not scared, just wasn't looking forward to it). Apocalypse is STRONGER than Hulk, and unlike Hulk who needs his strength stimulated through anger to fuel it, all Apocalypse has to do is will his strength increase and draw upon ambient and extradimensional energy to fuel him, and it's done. He can go from Class 100 to class 1,000,000 in moments. His ability to control his molecules, morph, and alter his size and density allow him to become any substance from dextrous plasma to adamantium and beyond or as tall as a skyscraper, and he can grant himself any physical ability, like say the ability to absorb kinetic energy to fuel his strength ala Sebastian Shaw or absorb and redirect kinetic energy ala Bishop, which would render a majority of Thanos' attacks pointless. He can also morph all or part of himself into advanced machinery, like morphing a portion of his back into a propulsion drive and having jet wings extend from his shoulders, or forming rockets in his feet or back, granting him the ability to fly or move at great speeds.
I say it's a draw or Thanos out lasts Apocalypse. Thanos has gone toe to toe with Tyrant and is still standing, but Thanos within himself doesn't (to my knowledge, and without Thanos employing some sort of weapon/artifact to increase his powers, so just using his base powers) have the means to destroy Apocalypse using all of his powers full bore. I've never seen Thanos have control over the EM spectrum to the extent Magneto did in AoA to rip Apocalypse apart with adverse polarities at the molecular level, and though Thanos does posess psionic energy blast attacks, he doesn't have the telekinetic abilities of Nate Grey/Cable/Stryfe (two of which were BRED to defeat Apocalypse), and if Apoc employs the Shaw/Bishop ability as I stated before, though Thanos has very powerful cosmic energy attacks at his disposal, they are countered, as well as any other blast Thanos could emit because it's a form of kinetic energy.
They could fight and counter until Apoc needs a new host body in 5000 years and then Thanos would win.
Or Thanos could use a Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gem, Infinity Gauntlet, or Heart of the Universe and erase Apocalypse.
Of all of the people I seen post replies in here I never seen a better one than this. Apocalypse gets bashed because for some reason because either the new writers have no clue to what his powers are or for some other reason. A well writen Apocalypse should give Thanos a hell of a fight or just straight out win.
If my boy Apoc used even a tenth of the power that his powerset entitled him to, he'd last quite awhile against Thanos. Hell, if he actually did the shit that Delph and I were coming up with, then he could stalemate Thanos for quite awhile.
Apoc doesn't have the guns to take down Thanos, not unless he started using celestial tech at a much higher level and incorporating more of it into his body.
But by all rights, he shouldn't be getting slaughtered, not with his powerset.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If my boy Apoc used even a tenth of the power that his powerset entitled him to, he'd last quite awhile against Thanos. Hell, if he actually did the shit that Delph and I were coming up with, then he could stalemate Thanos for quite awhile.Apoc doesn't have the guns to take down Thanos, not unless he started using celestial tech at a much higher level and incorporating more of it into his body.
But by all rights, he shouldn't be getting slaughtered, not with his powerset.
To be honest, Going by his best showings, I don't see how Thanos would be able to put him down if written correctly. This guy held the AMPED hulk in a choke hold as if it were nothing. The same Hulk that was strong enough to actually stop the Juggernaut in Motion. Not even War War Hulk was strong enough to stop Juggy in motion. That alone puts Apoc's strength on a whole other leve in my mind.
Originally posted by The Great GalenAgain he later added the guns shot to his own tech so it is his own power. He created the gun and later incorporated it onto his own person.
Thats because he wasnt trying to bring him down, if he was he would have used a galaxy buster shot which he didnt. Besides Thor with the gem was owned by a gun...not thanos own power.
Originally posted by King KandyExactly.
How do you know it wasn't a Galaxy-Buster shot? Collateral Damage is no indication of power.
Probably because it was never stated as being a galaxy buster, in DBZ cell said he had a chi wave capale of destroying the solar system yet all it did was creat a crater on the ground. I didn't see any narative that suggest Odin was at the peak fo his power giving everything he got towards Thanos? Oh and Quan, u ur self said Thor has a infinite power source yet Gun>>>>PG lol.
Originally posted by The Great GalenOdin saluted Thanos as a great opponent and one hadnt went up against in eons.
Probably because it was never stated as being a galaxy buster, in DBZ cell said he had a chi wave capale of destroying the solar system yet all it did was creat a crater on the ground. I didn't see any narative that suggest Odin was at the peak fo his power giving everything he got towards Thanos? Oh and Quan, u ur self said Thor has a infinite power source yet Gun>>>>PG lol.
The gun contained him. It didnt defeat him. It was only temporary friend,thats how good Thanos' tech is.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Now this is interesting.The catch with Apocalypse is that you can't really defeat him through physical means. You have to attack him through psionics or attack his molecular cohesion. Anything less won't really harm him, and even attacking him psionicly is a task because he has established a bit of a psionic minefield for telepaths that try to harm him. Apocalypse's versatility makes him a serious threat in this battle.
Thanos is exceedingly strong himself, and stated that he was weary of the day he'd battle Hulk (not scared, just wasn't looking forward to it). Apocalypse is STRONGER than Hulk, and unlike Hulk who needs his strength stimulated through anger to fuel it, all Apocalypse has to do is will his strength increase and draw upon ambient and extradimensional energy to fuel him, and it's done. He can go from Class 100 to class 1,000,000 in moments. His ability to control his molecules, morph, and alter his size and density allow him to become any substance from dextrous plasma to adamantium and beyond or as tall as a skyscraper, and he can grant himself any physical ability, like say the ability to absorb kinetic energy to fuel his strength ala Sebastian Shaw or absorb and redirect kinetic energy ala Bishop, which would render a majority of Thanos' attacks pointless. He can also morph all or part of himself into advanced machinery, like morphing a portion of his back into a propulsion drive and having jet wings extend from his shoulders, or forming rockets in his feet or back, granting him the ability to fly or move at great speeds.
I say it's a draw or Thanos out lasts Apocalypse. Thanos has gone toe to toe with Tyrant and is still standing, but Thanos within himself doesn't (to my knowledge, and without Thanos employing some sort of weapon/artifact to increase his powers, so just using his base powers) have the means to destroy Apocalypse using all of his powers full bore. I've never seen Thanos have control over the EM spectrum to the extent Magneto did in AoA to rip Apocalypse apart with adverse polarities at the molecular level, and though Thanos does posess psionic energy blast attacks, he doesn't have the telekinetic abilities of Nate Grey/Cable/Stryfe (two of which were BRED to defeat Apocalypse), and if Apoc employs the Shaw/Bishop ability as I stated before, though Thanos has very powerful cosmic energy attacks at his disposal, they are countered, as well as any other blast Thanos could emit because it's a form of kinetic energy.
They could fight and counter until Apoc needs a new host body in 5000 years and then Thanos would win.
Or Thanos could use a Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gem, Infinity Gauntlet, or Heart of the Universe and erase Apocalypse.
I'll start off by saying it's good to see some logical thinking on this forum. However, unfortunately it's been applied to the wrong character 🙁
All the posters who came after you posted this and said Apoc has never done anything like turning into adamantium or increasing his strength to 1.000.000 or using a sebastian shaw-like power are correct. The forum rules do not apply in this case. Let me explain.
Flash has often times been seen running at the speed of light and faster. He's done the IMP plenty of times, and much more impressive feats. Therefore, in a thread with the Flash, saying he speedblitzes and does an IMP is completely within reason since he's done it on panel, has shown to have abilities on panel even greater than being able to do that, and so this argument can be used.
Apocalypse has never shown that kind of strength amping, has never showed the ability to create ANY superpower, regardless of what some half-assed manual says, has never shown to have adamantium-level durability.
The "full potential" that apocalypse fan have wet dreams about is just that, a dream and nothing more. Apocalypse has never on panel shown any abilities beyond shapeshifting and growing in size, decreasing in size, and some moderate telepathy. He doesn't even fully understand his celestial tech for Christ's sake.
Saying the fact that he doesn't use these powers mentioned in the handbooks and that he loses fights he shouldn't lose if those handbook words are correct is PIS or bad writing is stupid. Plain stupid.
In Flash's case, since he has CONSISTENTLY shown to have the ability to run faster than light, do IMPs and so forth, it's ok to say that him not using these tactics in any fight is PIS/CIS/bad writing. In Apocalypse's case it's not, because he has never actually displayed the abilities in the first place (not to mention the KNOWLEDGE of how such abilities would work).
So all in all, Apocalypse is a guy who can increase in size, has some telepathy, has decent enough durability, has celestial tech that he doesn't even understand, and nowhere near turning into adamantium or amping his strength to the level you mentioned. And no, it wouldn't be logical to actually be able to do those things like you say, simply because he has never ever shown to be able to reach such impressive feats.
Thanos wins with very little difficulty.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
I'll start off by saying it's good to see some logical thinking on this forum.
Why are you responding to a post from 2005?
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
has never showed the ability to create ANY superpower
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
some half-assed manual says.
The handbook is the final word from the editor in chief. uhuh
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Apocalypse has never on panel shown any abilities beyond shapeshifting and growing in size, decreasing in size, and some moderate telepathy.
What? No energy projection/absorption powers?
And you forgot telekinesis, healing/adaptive powers, etc.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
He doesn't even fully understand his celestial tech for Christ's sake.
That was stated once in a small panel during the X-Cutioner's Song, and to my knowledge, it's never been brought up again. Apoc knows jack shit about Celestial tech? Yes, that explains all the things he's done it with it.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
So all in all, Apocalypse is a guy who can increase in size, has some telepathy, has decent enough durability
Thanos is just a strong and durable guy that can throw around energy blasts. 😛
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Why are you responding to a post from 2005?
Because the thread had been bumped and replied to by several people, I didnt bump it 😬
And I read the dude's post and thought he deserved a well organized response...
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
shape-changer 🙂 . Martial ability does not mean "any power". Also, because someone says it doesn't mean he's done it...
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
The handbook is the final word from the editor in chief. uhuh
You can say this on and on, I go by feats, not some bullcrap written in the handbook. 😬
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
What? No energy projection/absorption powers?And you forgot telekinesis, healing/adaptive powers, etc.
Oh, right, very low power TK, some healing, and shooting energy out of gun-hands.
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
That was stated once in a small panel during the X-Cutioner's Song, and to my knowledge, it's never been brought up again. Apoc knows jack shit about Celestial tech? Yes, that explains all the things he's done it with it.
X-men 181-186, he has no idea how the ship built itself, and has no idea how the machines that make the freekin horsemen work 😬
Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Thanos is just a strong and durable guy that can throw around energy blasts. 😛
I'm certain you were just joking there 😉
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
shape-changer 🙂 .
What?
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Martial ability does not mean "any power".
Comic books disagrees. uhuh
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Also, because someone says it doesn't mean he's done it...
Cyclops >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Some healing
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
shooting energy out of gun-hands.
pr1983
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
he has no idea how the ship built itself
How would he?
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
has no idea how the machines that make the freekin horsemen work-
You mean this?