I see what you are saying, and in a way I agree. They are not equals, but it is true they use similar tools (to a degree) to acheive their aims. Of course at this point in times Bush's aims, while not very good, don't match Hitler's. But still, it is sad to see that things could go wrong so quickly.
The 'Freedom' of American business maybe... That'll long be a debating point I suspect....
But the similarities in their method are apparent.
Hitler while, sure, he might have had a different goal, did indeed have a similar method with the propaganda, manipulation invoking religious support for political aim...to a different end sure. But a valid comparison remains....IMO. Both would also tolerate no dissent... Punishable by incarceration. And at least Hitler learned a few words of english.... 😛
Other points worth considering are that Bush AND Daddy Bush are the same entity in regards to the fact that Bush Jr does seem to be a puppet
for the mechanism behind both Bushes...
Hitler's record is reviewable in its entirety right now because of the fact that history has passed by and been recorded...
Lets see how much history has to say about the complete Bush gang's
performance in say 20-30 yrs time.... I'll bet that there'll be way more ammo for the prosecution here than the defense...
(Also as a side point-It maybe old news now, but Bush Snr's dad was holding money for Hitler's Nazis in WW2... Nice scruples huh....? Doesn't exactly come across as a damning Bush condemnation of Hitler and his methods, now does it..? You may even argue from that, that Granddaddy Bush may have even been grateful for his Nazi-abetting business 🙁 )
Just my tuppence worth....
Originally posted by A4E
jackie's not at all that bad 😬 at least she actually laughs at stuff... and I highly doubt she's against as female being president or a black person
also I didnt know KidRock was a racist 😖 that really sucks
off topic: im not a racist.. i have lots of black and spanish friends and one of my best friends is asian. Also I am not some gun carrying redneck from the south. I am a gun carrying redneck from the suburbs of new york, jk, thanks now carry on.
doubt anyone cares 😬
btw, that statement about you wanting to be the first guy on your block to have a confirmed kill in iran, not even caring if, when, how, or why we would go to war with them...pretty racist if you ask me. you would gleefully accept the opportunity to kill a muslem...but you like asians, blacks, and latinos...so you're .....half a racist?
Originally posted by PVS
doubt anyone cares 😬btw, that statement about you wanting to be the first guy on your block to have a confirmed kill in iran, not even caring if, when, how, or why we would go to war with them...pretty racist if you ask me. you would gleefully accept the opportunity to kill a muslem...but you like asians, blacks, and latinos...so you're .....half a racist?
THE QUOTE.. IS FROM A MOVIE.. do you read threads? do you read ANYTHING at all? your post keeps dropping my IQ more and more.. it is a quote from a movie and it was a joke, I said it was a joke,more then once in many threads yet you still assume i am a racist from that comment. I said it because I knew people like you would freak out and go insane over a little comment. I am only racist against idiots like yourself.
Originally posted by PVS
so answer me this:
if you confess to just spilling out bullshit like that in a serious discussion, and wait till someone brings it up months later in a different thread to drop that weak excuse....why should anyone take ANYTHING you have to say seriously?
It wasnt an excuse.. it was what I said in the thread when i first posted the comment. Go back and read it if you want, or dont, I could care less either way but I said the comment as a joke months ago and said it was a joke in the same thread yet people like you continue (for some insane reason) thinking it was the truth and that im a racist from that thread. W/e though I dont care if you take me seriously or not just dont be a stupid ass and take things out of context to make me look bad.
Originally posted by PVS
people have such a knee jerk reaction when this case is presented.
without even thinking, they say "bush is NOTHING like hitler"
the false logic is that: if one answer is untrue, the exact opposite is therefore true.as i stated, bush has made very similar methods through propaganda, controlling media, means of rallying support, and overall means of controlling the masses.
the BIG DIFFERENCE is their MOTIVES for using these tools for bullshitting us all.
here are some great sites which break down these common tools:
http://www.propagandacritic.com/
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda#References
http://home.att.net/~hugh2you/abm.htmlthese tools can win an election, start a war, or even end a race of people.
depends to what degree and for what purpose they are used. the purpose is clearly different, but the degree to shich bush applies these tools affects the entire globe drastically.
i understand your point but then the same comparison can be drawn up with any world leader throughout history as all them use the media and manipulate aspects of society to keep them in power...
but i dont think Bush manifests this in the way hitler did...hitlers method was to invoke hatred of a specific race or races...Bush doesn't do this...i have never seen bush try to turn people against islam...on the contrary it would seem that many people had knee jerk reactions after sept 11th...i myself witnessed and had to intervene in an attack on a muslim man at my work...it was the government that lead the way in ensuring that these were not common place events
the aspect of guantanamo bay and keeping people prisoner without trial is a very controvertial one...
but a couple of cases stand out as being rather bizzare in the case of UK citizens held in cuba
one of the detainees was found in afghanistan with an AK47 in his hand and holed up with a bunch of taliban...yet he states he was in afghanistan to "learn computing"....despite the fact that he lived in Britain...so who would go from Britain to Afghanistan to learn computing
these are the kind of cases of "innocent" people we have to take into consideration
but you make a mistake here:
"-one of the detainees was found in afghanistan with an AK47 in his hand....
-these are the kind of cases of "innocent" people we have to take into consideration."
not a good deduction. one example does not speak for the lot. regardless though, america has broken the geneva convention with this crap, claiming some special priviledge in the same manner in which hitler did. after all, 'terrorists' cant be granted the same due process and representation as the rest of us, since they present an immediate danger....but wtf is a terrorist? i thought a terrorist was one who commits the crime. apparently now a terrorist is one suspected of having the will to commit a terrorist act.
in america we have a system of 'innocent until proven guilty'. because of such a system, many lable it as 'siding with the criminal' but the priority is on the protection of EVERYONE, over the punishment of the few. once that priority is switched backwards...and all legal counceling is denied....we have a mockery of justice...we have guantonimo bay.
and it is a concentration camp...lets call a spade a spade