Okay whats with always adding Raoh? Why not add Toki instead since Raoh, and Ken would never fight together to begin with.
Anyways....Ken would be a hard enough person to catch for the Hulk but if he did hit Ken then he'd win. However adding two masters of the same style that inevitable involves blowing somebody up....Yea Hulk has no chance against the brothers.
Yes I said in the other thread Hulk could beat Ken..but he'd have to be able to hit him, and then I'm not even sure he'd kill him. But that's the thing he'd have to hit him. Kenshiro moved fast enough to appear behind Joker who teleported (And I don't mean the Bat-villain), and Kenshiro's fought people bigger then Hulk...not stronger but bigger like Devil Reverse, and the Fang Clan leader.
The thing is can Hulk's healing keep him from being blown up from the inside? Or can Ken find a point that nulls the Healing Factor? And No Ken doesn't have to be able to go thru Hulk's skin so even if Hulk is durable enough he can still hit the point.
There's a lot to bring to the fight with just Ken but adding Raoh they win.
Agree with Kento's assessment.
The Hulk is stronger than Ken (I think), but Ken
has other abilities, mystical martial arts powers
(I'm going by the original anime here, plus a
few comic issues, is all), so he can probably bring
Hulk down if he stays away from any of Hulk's
stronger punches.
And to Alpha Centauri, "Fist of the North Star" was
I believe a comic book series beofre becoming
an animated film.
So it can be included in this forum.
Besides, this comic book "Vs." forum can't all
be just Wolverine/Superman/Hulk/Thor/other
top famour characters versus each other.
Sooner or later these things will be discussed to
death.
Lighten up.
Fist of the North Star is a Raijin Comic that became a cartoon/anime.
Just like Peanuts (Charlie Brown) is a comic strip that became a cartoon.
Just like Batman is a comic strip that became a cartoon and live action film.
Just like Dilbert is a comic strip that became a cartoon.
Just like Hulk is a comic strip that became a cartoon and live action film.
Any other opinions?
Not to get into an exchange with you Alpha, but your point was noted.
The fact Kenshiro is best known for being a Japanese anime character doesn't change the fact he was based on a comic. Just like Sonic the Hedgehog as a video game character or Popeye as a cartoon, their origin is in comics. Mainstream misperception, bias, or in some cases, ignorance (to the origin of the character, not plain ignorance wholely) is not a viable objection.
As for Hulk Vs. Goku (or any other characters vs. Dragonball characters) fights being 'shit', that's moreso a result of resentment that Goku and DBZ characters are able to easily murder a majority of American comicdom's top characters than anything else. It's accepted that an alien raised in Kansas can sneeze away a solar system and fly at light speeds due to sunbathing, but an alien raised in Japan that can blow up a galaxy with a beam from his palm and turns into a giant monkey in moonlight is unacceptable? I think it's more that no one likes to see their home team get massacred.
Including Japanese comic book characters is not going to "confirm the forum's decline into hell", it's going to confirm a bit more diversity in characters used in battles.
Unless, of course, you advocate discrimination.
But anyway;
Anymore opinions?
Originally posted by illadelph12
As for Hulk Vs. Goku (or any other characters vs. Dragonball characters) fights being 'shit', that's moreso a result of resentment that Goku and DBZ characters are able to easily murder a majority of American comicdom's top characters than anything else.
Resentment? Not a bit.
Rather, it is more a result of the fact that DBZ characters are
crappy childish over-powered characters (though the cartoon
is still enjoyable for its fights and action).
I once wrote on that topic on another site, so I will just copy
what I wrote there:
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Comparing Marvel with DragonBall Z is like
comparing Hamlet to Harry Potter, or
"Blade Runner" to "Plan 9 from Outerspace".
Marvel, whatever its faults, is an organic,
realistic world, created over 70 years and
involves characters who follow some sort of
logic. So even if they do fantasy things like
flying or controlling minds, they atleast
follow a certain comic-book logic, whereby
they can't just change the rules around
whenever it's convinient (so Prof. X can't
just one day get up and lift a car, just
because some idiot writer decided it).
Each Marvel character (and this applies to
DC and other major comic book publications)
has certain powers, a personality, a past
and a biography, and limits.
DragonBall Z however lacks any of this. They
live in a world lacking any rules. One day
they're living in a cutesy world of bunny-men
and talking lizards (DragonBall), then the
next monment it's a serious world of big
cities and war-planes (DragonBall Z).
The rules are constantly changing. One moment
Picollo is strong enough to destroy the moon
with one fingure, then the next moment he is
fighting for his life against Frieza who does
pretty much the same thing!
One day Vegeta is this super-warrior prince
who punches through mountains, and the next
he is getting his tail cut off by some samurai
sword!
There is no logic to the DBZ universe, not
even a pretence. It's basically whatever the
writers decide. And this is due to the fact that
DBZ is largely a children's cartoon, with a
(very) simple story-line, one-dimensional
characters, and lack of consistancy, to make
it easier for them to follow ("Don't worry
kids, the Dragon will wish back aaaalll the
momies and daddies killed by Majin-buu!"😉.
And what is the result? The result is that
while Marvel doesn't need to depend on a
"stronger-villian-than-the-last" plot to keep
going, instead relying on good story-telling
and character-decisions (so not every villian
that the X-Men face is necessarily stronger than
the last; he can be weaker, but the situation
different); DBZ just makes each villian a lot
stronger than the last, then having Goku get
even stronger and defeat him. And the same
thing over and over again, until now Goku and
the others ahve reached ridiculous levels of
powers that frankly no longer make any sense
anymore (why bother throwing punches when you
can just destroy the galaxy your opponent is
in?).
I really liked DB and DBZ, after the Frieza
sage (or to a lesser extent the Cell one), it
got really silly, with the characters being too
damned strong to be worth rooting for.
Bottom line: Goku can beat almost anybody in
Marvel or DC, but then again I too can right
now create a hero can can defeat them as well
(hmmm, let's see? I'll call him "Cosine" and
he is able to move 1,000,000 times the speed of
light, and can lift 100 billion tons, and every
time he punches someone, or is punched by
someone, his powers increase ten times! There, I
just created a character who can beat all of
Marvel!? And he makes about as much sense as
Goku!).
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"Fist of the North Star" is much better developed
character-wise than DragonBall. So more suitable
for battling american comic characters.
And yes, some american characters are over-powered,
such as this Superman Prime, but never to the level
of the DBZ characters. Furthermore, Marvel and DC
heros and villians live in universes that have god-like
cosmic beings like Galactus and Spectre, and for these
characters it is okay for them to be super-mighty, since
they are like the gods of the Marvel and DC universe.
ONe more point, even if some Marvel or DC figures
are occasionally made super-powerful, atleast they
still have a three-dimensional personality, and biography
and history. Even Goku, the most developed DragonBall
character, is one-dimensional compared to even some
minor Marvel and DC characters.
Originally posted by Kento
DBZ characters are not overpowered. Anybody from Wonder Woman up in strength can defeat them. Heck there are probably people weaker then WW would could beat them.
Ofcourse they are. Even monir figures have the power to
destroy a whole planet with one blast. Even Silver Surfer
can't do that.
I can respect that.
It is a matter of opinion and perspective. I don't find DBZ any more ridiculous than Golden Era DC comics and some of their current characters. Superman juggled planets? A being the size of a man juggling planets (never explaining how somehow the atmosphere of the planets became tangible for Supes to grasp)? The Flash? Krypto the Super Dog? Bat Shark Repellent? There are degrees of fiction, but lack of consistency is abundant in many places external to the Dragon Ball Universe. I mean, come on now, Batman made guest spots on Scooby Doo. Why judge DBZ so harshly?
Wait, didn't Master Roshi (?) blow up the moon in the
older DragonBall series?
And didn't Piccolo do the same (how? Who know) when
he was beginning to tutor Gohan?
Are you saying that late-DBZ Krillin isn't stronger than
early DBZ Piccolo, or DB Master Roshi?
As for Golden Age comics, these were early, and the
characters, as well as the whole concept of comic book
super-heroes, were still being developed.
But as I said, even if some Marvel and DC characters do
ridiculously strong things, these are rare, and are due
to the comics' writers, who unlike with DBZ change very
frequently.
Furthermore, as I said in my copied post, Marvel and DC
comics don't revolve around the same tired plot of yet
another even stronger villian coming along, beating everyone
up, then Goku (usually) discovers yet another level to
his strength (just how many super-Saiyan levels are there
now? 5? 10?), and beating the villian. And on and on and on.