Originally posted by Beyonder
Odin>Surtur>JLASurfer = Thor = Superman
Odin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Surfer
Yeah, so I guess the argument here is that the JLA can take Thanos. Or maybe the argument is they can take Beyonder, Walker, Galactus, or Tyrant since none of these guys beat Thanos either.
Explain "Surfer=Thor=Superman".
Explain how Beyonder, Wlaker, Galactus and Tyrant couldn't
beat Thanos. Are you saying Thanos is stronger than Galactus?
Is Thanos now on the level of Galactus, Eternity, Celestials, and
the other Cosmic Beings?
Look, I'm not saying Odin wouldn't win, but to characterize this
as a cake-walk for Odin would be a bit too much.
The JLA is arguable the strongest super-hero team in all of
comics, stronger even than the Avengers, so I doubt they
would roll over and die.
They couldn't put Thanos down. Thanos' durability is second only to his intellect. It's not that they can't beat him, it's that he's stood up to their power and looked good. So if he's stood up to them, why should Odin feel ashamed of not putting Thanos down when beings his level or above can't? And just cause Thanos can, doesn't mean any of the JLA can. None of them are on his level of durability or power.
A swipe from Odin and Surfer is out. Surfer, Thor, and Superman are roguely around the same level. If you want to be more specific, it goes:
1] Surfer
2] Thor or Superman
The JLA are arguably the most powerful, but the Infinity Watch and Defenders says different. And the Watch was there, with Thanos, Surfer, and Strange. I may have to look back in my book, but I think Drax tried something stupid and Odin b!tchslapped him in one blow. Thanos then orders Surfer to his side, while Strange and the Watch stayed back. Odin took out Surfer like he did Drax. Now, if it were the Defenders, Hulk would end up like Drax, while Surfer and Strange assault Odin, and Namor would basically be useless. The only difference in this scenerio is Thanos is more powerful than Strange.
What are the JLA going to do? He'll walk all over them. This ain't Darkseid were talking about. Odin doesn't even need to pull out Gungnir to beat down the JLA. Odin sent Gladiator back to the future after Gladiator lost to Thor with assist from Enchantress and Tarene. The JLA have nothing on a skyfather, much less Odin.
If Thanos can stand up to Cosmic Beings like Galactus and
the Celestials, and "look good", then it figures, according
to you, that Odin must be nearly as powerful as Galactus or
the Celestials.
Yes, the Defenders are arguably more powerful than the JLA,
but they aren't really a set team, rather an ad hoc collection
of heroes.
Much of this arguement is based on that fight from the "mad
Thor" storyline. That story-line had plenty of problems, as I
remember it when I read it all those years ago. The ease with
which Thor beat Silver Surfer being one. Add to that how Drax,
with his Strength Gem (?), which supposedly gives him physical
strength beyond anyone, also couldn't restrain Thor.
That story-line was silly, much like Hulk's "lifting" of a mountain
in Secret Wars I.
I would like to see other evidence of Odins tremendous
powers. This isn't a sarcastic challenge, rather it is a curious
invitation.
But again. The point is, Odin cannot walk all over the JLA like
they were insects. Superman himself, who is notably stronger
than Thor (yes, I am one of those who thinks Superman is
stronger than Thor or the Hulk), can match his strength. Martian
Manhunter is said to be a very powerful telepath, something
that I don't know if Odin is as well.
I know what your going for here because simply there is little to no evidence to Odins full power, so you're going to say "Well if there is no proof then you can say hes that powerful" which is a faulty argument.
The guy is a top God, its true i cant 100% prove to you he can beat them because his power is just accepted in the MU eyes and needs no proof.
TOAA has never shown to be able to do shit,its just comman knowledge he is supremely powerful.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Odin transcends the physical world and cant just be beaten with raw power...
I wouldn't be too sure about this statement. Thanos brought nothing but raw power (and the ability to take a lot of punishment) in his fight against Odin. Not that he was beating Odin or anything but given enough raw power, which the JLA may or may not have, they might be able to slatemate Odin for a while. They'd still lose but it won't be cakewalk for Odin. Throw in a couple of other DC heavy hitters like Captain Marvel, Firestorm and Alan Scott then the JLA might have a 1 in 100 chance of beating Odin.