Originally posted by illadelph12
No it wouldn't. Nightcrawler has teleported himself and others many times without dying. Hulk's head is not bigger than Shadowcat or Storm's entire body. He wouldn't die from the strain.
Teleporting a portion and teleporting a person completely is far different. Basically he has to concentrate what he's teleporting, while teleporting a person or object fully comes natural. I'm not sure what exactly Nightcrawler experiences when doing either technique, but teleporting specific parts has shown definite constrains, whether it be mental or physical.
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And the ratio of his mountain lifting to number of years he's been in existence is?
Come on Alpha. You and I know you're better than this.
It's the same line of reasoning and rationale, except for some reason it's acceptable for Hulk.
Kurt can teleport a head or limb. Then move on to his other body parts.
"Teleporting a portion and teleporting a person completely is far different. Basically he has to concentrate what he's teleporting, while teleporting a person or object fully comes natural. I'm not sure what exactly Nightcrawler experiences when doing either technique, but teleporting specific parts has shown definite constrains, whether it be mental or physical."
Yes.
He has to pick his target, gauge the size, distance, and trajectory, then :bamf: Hulk is headless. After a few moments to recover :bamf: Hulk has no head or right arm. I'm pretty sure Hulk takes a while to fully recover from decapitation.
Originally posted by illadelph12
He has to pick his target, gauge the size, distance, and trajectory, then :bamf: Hulk is headless. After a few moments to recover :bamf: Hulk has no head or right arm. I'm pretty sure Hulk takes a while to fully recover from decapitation.
If this is the case then why has he never done it to Magneto's helmet?
Why hasen't he done this to Juggernaut's helmet?
If this is canon, why haven't we seen Kurt do this more than just
twice in the character's 20 year history?
Originally posted by Zahit
If Kurt can clearly teleport body parts, why did he never try something
like that to Juggernaut? Or Magneto? Teleport his helmet away or something....
Oh and by the way.......when has any X-man been able to fight
Juggernaut one-on-one?
But a helmet is not a part of a person as would your head directly. Nightcrawler has done this stunt before (the helmet) with little problems (can't remember with who).
Originally posted by illadelph12
Kurt can teleport a head or limb. Then move on to his other body parts.
Cumulative restraints will prevent him from complete mutilation. Time is a factor that he can't teleport one piece, rest a bit, then try again, unless he makes a critical blow the first time around.
He has to pick his target, gauge the size, distance, and trajectory, then :bamf: Hulk is headless. After a few moments to recover :bamf: Hulk has no head or right arm. I'm pretty sure Hulk takes a while to fully recover from decapitation.
Calculations take time and even then is very risky (similar to the respect of teleporting to a place he's not fully sure is spacious or not). And think of the size of an arm of head of Hulk's. They're not small potatoes. The size is going to hurt if not kill him.
Same reason why Flash is so fast that he could stop every crime on Earth in a moment but never does, or Apocalypse could just make himself super fast, super strong, and indestructable but never does. If a character used their full capacity 24/7 nothing would ever get done. Do you know how whack DC comics would be if their characters whent full tilt in every book?
Originally posted by illadelph12
[BTeleportation is completely different dynamics. It's not impact or concussive, it's matter transference. [/B]
Transference of matter is NOT how Kurt's teleportation occurs....
He teleports by displacing himself into another dimension (the nature of which is as yet unknown), travelling through it, and then returning to his own dimension at a certain distance from his point of departure. He consciously determines his point of return. The entire process occurs so quickly that Nightcrawler is unaware of being in another dimension at all. Nightcrawler guides himself through the other dimension by an unconscious, natural direction-finding sense. Although Nightcrawler controls his teleportational ability with his conscious mind, his power to teleport is not psionic. Rather it is the result of an unknown biochemical/biophysical reaction which he triggers mentally.
for him to teleport a piece of something with him he would have to
physically be able to rip it off.....
"Calculations take time and even then is very risky (similar to the respect of teleporting to a place he's not fully sure is spacious or not). And think of the size of an arm of head of Hulk's. They're not small potatoes. The size is going to hurt if not kill him."
A character that can teleport 2-3 miles and hide in shadows to render himself invisible can by himself time to calculate his attack.
Xavier posses the most powerful mind on earth. sure he cant walk. but he will beat the Hulk in seconds. Hulk is physical power, Xavier is mental power, and before hulk can even think of getting at Xavier the fight is already over. He will simply wipe his mind clean like he has done to so many others. Do you actually believe Xavier would allow Hulk any free consiousness in a battle between the 2. Xavier is helpless physically he knows he needs to take out the hulk fast and he would.
Nate grey, Cable obviously the phoneix would take him out as well.
Magneto would defeat him as well, since magneto tossed around the avengers like ragdolls hulk would be a threat to him but in the end magneto would finish him off.
Nightcrawler finishing hulk off? it cant happen. Hulk wouldnt be able to catch nightcrawler with all his teleporting, but what can nightcrawler do to hurt the big guy? nothing. it would be like in the summer time ur outside and ur trying to swat that pesky mosquito, ya cant get him he somehow manages to get away. tilll. hulk has incredible durability, nightcrawler would eventually tire and when he does, SPLAT!
People also got to realize as well Hulk isnt a god like alot of people make it seem. he can lose to anyone, Deadpool has a victory over the hulk! Dr. octopus has knocked him out. Hulk has lost some pretty crappy battles with characters who are way lessar then he is.
In the marvel universe there is always a way, for anyone to beat anyone. It is true nightcrawler could win, anyone could. There are many ways to win a battle, it always doesnt have to involve knocking the other person out. I can see nightcrawler teleporting hulk off a cliff or somethin then teleporting his ass as far away from the hulk as he could. wouldnt that count as a victory? Although nightcrawler would know he would be out of his league fighting the hulk maybe he could outsmart him.
but realistically hulk would win against any of the x-men except for those i mentioned above
I'm gonna start a Nightcrawler vs. Thanos thread. Because now that someone found a loophole, in theory NC is one of the most powerful mutants in existence.
I'll acknowledge that the limb-teleporting happened, but I don't accept or like it. The idea that he could just teleport part of something, or someone as the case may be, seems rather impossible to me...and also an extremely dumb move by the writers of those two comics. I would have thought that he would only be able to teleport objects in their entirety. So if anyone wants to say that NC would beat Hulk, fine...I won't argue. But I won't agree either. Because this thread has now devolved into somewhat of a stalemate in philosophies and is hardly productive.
Nate and Jean. Stickin' with it. Woot!
-DM