Sidious kills the jedi in the temple? Where the hell do people get their information from? Anakin wipes out the jedi,TF, and Mace doesn't win. Mace also doesn't go out like a ***** either. Sidous is most likely the most powerful at the moment. I think the rumors about Vader being less powerful because he is more machine is nothing more than another dumb fan myth. It's only later that Vader becomes more powerful than Sidious. That is until Luke comes along who most likely becomes more powerful than both because of their old age and Anakin's lack of focus and conviction. His conflict seems to make him weaker. Not his frigging robotic parts. 😠 😠 😠
Originally posted by Lord S
I heartily agree...and thank the mods for adding the spoiler warning in the title. Sadly, the damage has already been done for me...I learned a little too much in the first post. 🙁
on the plus side, believe nothing until you actually see the movie and even then be prepared for the 'Special Editions' to change it all around again 😉
Awain You Are Crazy Everyone Knows That Yoda Is The Most Powerful After Anakins Fall...And U Say Mace Windu? Damn man...You Are So Wrong Why Do U Think Palps Wants To Kill Him? He Does Act Big Time Because He Knows That This Is A Great Chance To Him To Get A New Apprentice...He Wants Anakin To Choose Who He Wants To Save Because Palps Knows That These Kind Off Things Is One Of Anakins Weak Points
SPOILER! SPOILER ALERT!
Okay read the ROTS book today and would disagree as to yoda being the most powerful, he may be old and wise but he admits his jedi learning is out of date and the sith have overtaken the jedi in power. Basically he realises a new jedi order is needed without his oldschool teaching and the fact he is being resoundedly beaten by sidious at the time enforces this! Anakin may have the greatest potential but by the end is one messed up young man who is basically killed in a fair one-on-one fight by an initially holding back Ob1 (not sure if Sids brings Anakin back to life or not, it's unclear).
Mace is one baddass fighter and definately does better than yoda against sids, infact his fighting style feeds off darkside attack so basically had a stalemate against the old man, his mistake was to trust Anakin, Sids's only advantage over Mace was trusting Anakin too, he couldn't seem to beat him otherwise and was getting a faceful of lightning for the trouble. I agree he was trying to convert Anakin but he couldn't produce one attack that Mace wasn't countering with interest basically because of his Vapod(i think) style.
I would probably pick OB1 as most powerful, he's the only one who really saw it being a bad idea Anakin being used as a pawn by the council and often comes out as being wiser than Yoda and he is one baddass fighter. Few can argue he was a better, more noble man than Anakin and he beat Anakin fair and square so simply...better.
Mace is the man I'd pick to fight a Sith Lord.
Luke is probably the most influential jedi, he converts Vader back to Anakin which restores order to the Galaxy and starts the new Jedi Order.
Anakin gets my vote for being the guy you don't leave in charge of kids who might ask "why aren't you a Master Jedi?".
Also the ultimate force power as realised by Yoda at end of ROTS is the at-one-with-the-force, luminous, being conscious when you're dead thing that Qui Gonn, OB1, Yoda then Anakin achieve. Sith can never achieve that immortality as they can't love anyone but themselves, looks like I'm f****d then.
Anyone of those 4 are most powerful in my opinion and for reasons stated above I would pick OB1.
Hope you enjoyed my rant!
this is very interesting debate, its windu really a better swordsman then even yoda? somehow i dont think so. it has been said that obi says "if u spent as much time practicing ur wit as ur saber techniques then you would rival master yoda as a swordsman" he does not say rival master windu as a swordsman. it is quite obvious that yoda is the most powerful force user (other then EU luke and Sidious). it is possible that maybe yodas style is easier to Handel then windu's style, for sidious. the problem is we have yet to see how sidious fights
COULD ANYONE WHO HAS THE BOOK MAYBE GIVE US A HINT AS TO HOW SIDIOUS FIGHTS>>>?????
anyways. we dont know yet, i personally think that Sidious was holding back in order to get anakin to turn, but i dont like to make judgements like this until i see the actual movie.
According to the book sids fights using lots of force speed, he just looks like a shadow, a superfast shadow throwing lightning bolts and attacking with a lightsaber 😖 . Mace does do better than Yoda against sids but purely becuase Mace's style involves almost going to the dark side and using the dark side attacker's own attacks as defence or something like that, so he is basically the perfect foil to Sids but it is stalemate, neither gets an advantage, they each require someone to step in. When Sids goes outside in the wet he loses a bit of force speed and Mace destroys his Saber, Sids gets angry and unleashes loads of force lighting but Mace deflects it all back. Yoda can't do any of that and eventually tires of having to deflect all of Sids lightning, realises that he isn't really a match for Sids' power and runs (scuttles) off. In the book it describes it as the greatest, most powerful Jedi against the greatestt most powerful Sith and it's clear who the stronger is. Yoda may be more powerful in the ways of the force than Mace but Mace is the man you'd want in your corner against a proper Sith Lord. OB1/Anakin would've lost to Sids too, he's simply a very scary badass in a hood.
Mace doesn't do any better than Yoda at all against Sidious.
When Palpatine is fighting Mace, he PRETENDS to be getting beat. He makes out like the Jedi are trying to kill him and take over, and thats when Anakin stops him by cutting off his hand.
When Anakin cuts off his hand, Palpatine "springs to life" (exact words from screenplay) and uses an almighty force to send Mace out the window like a punk. Take that fanboys.
Palpatine needed to "frame" Mace in front of Anakin. All through the fight, Sidious is screwing with Mace. If he realy wanted to, he could have thrown him out the window from the get go, but he needed to set Anakin up first. Once Anakin makes his choice, Sidious deals with Mace like he is NOTHING.
Sidious has a harder time with Yoda.
Mace isn't the superhero the fanboys think he is. He's still only human, and he underestimates the powers of the Emperor.
SPOILERs! Ok, I'm not a Mace fan for a start, if anything I prefer Yoda but you are simply wrong. At no point does it imply Sids is "screwing with Mace", Sids does not dictate any of the battle, if anything Mace does, taking it outside, inviting Anakin to step in. When describing Mace's style Vaapad against Sidious...
"there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue. Impasse. Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift. The fighting was effortless for him now..." .
After the lightning reflects back into Sid's face: "That was when Mace finally understood. He had it. The key to final victory. Palpatine's shatterpoint. The absolute shatterpoint of the Sith. The shatterpoint of the dark side itself. Mace thought, blankly astonished, 'Palpatine trusts Anakin Skywalker...' ".
Don't you see? Sids needs Anakin, sure he engineered it to help turn Anakin but Anakin had already turned, he'd accepted that he needed Sids alive to teach him the life saving power for Padme. Sids was playing the 'I'm an innocent senator, don't attack me Jedi' long before Anakin entered the room, he just used Anakin to succeed, why not? it would help turn him so why not? Half the fight was fought without Anakin even there, how was Sids going to beat Mace? Lightsaber attack? Force Lightning? No, impossible, mace's style reflected anything back, to the extent that Sids lost his saber and the bones of his face were softening in the reflected lightning. No, Sids used what he always uses, treachery and cunning, he's a master at it. He needed Mace to lose his saber to attack him so he engineered Anakin to take Mace's hand, simple (for Sids).
Compare this to Yoda's "The truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...just-didn't-have it...the end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings...the creature had reached the limits of his strength"
Mace had none of these problems of weakening or dealing with lightning because they fed his own attack. Yoda went toe to toe and lost becuase he was less powerful, Mace doesn't go toe to toe, he doesn't try to match Sids power, he uses it. Yoda is more powerful than Mace but he's not who you'd want fighting a Sith lord more powerful than either of them.
TobyOne Kenobi, I am fully aware of that.
I am going by what the screenplay says, as that is what will be in the movie.
I'm willing to accept that Mace is the guy you need against a Sith, makes sense really. It is cool that he's elaborated on as a sort of "mirror" that defends by repelling the foes attack. That's pretty good.
But unless the movie makes it clear as to what is going on, I'm not taking a novelisations explanation as proof, as its validity is debatable.