Originally posted by The Inkeeper
He did have a goal, kill all the ingrates in his class who he convinced himself are stopping aryan supremecy and blocking Hitlers resurection ✅Dont you pay attention>
I pay attention. The kid was a NATIVE AMERICAN. He wanted TRIBE SUPERMACY. Not Aryan supremacy. He idolized Hitler's ideals and incorporated into his own twisted life philosophy.
Originally posted by SlipknoT
Its good to see the kids acomplishing things these days 🙂
thats what im sayin, might not be tomorrows leader, but atleast tehre out there doing somthing productive and setting standards for youngsters up and comming in their field of classroom slaughter.I like how he threw a curveball and involved people outside the school, definently somthing to be learned form this psycho.
The only thing productive that came out of this is....uh
I find it incredibly hard to believe that the students, teachers and administrators didn't think the kid was gonna be a threat. The kid sprout his Tribal-Nazism everywhere. He even got into class debates with the teachers. It doesn't take a genius to realize that a Hitler-wannabe may wanna kill a lot of people.
So your already blaming this on Hitler?
Wow, good ol' Adolf is still sticking it to Uncle Sam over half a century after dying!
How do you think America would react if the kid was kicked out of school for sprouting his tribal nazism? I meant whatever happened to free speech shock
You cant please America. You kick out a killer, they complain, you leave him in school, they complain when he shoots people.
Of course I'm not blaming Hitler. I never said that. I blame the kid. He's to blame. He killed people. There's noone else to blame.
I said that a teenager spreading a violent message of tribal supremacy and who often spoke of acts of violence was OBVIOUSLY going to be a threat. The school was stupid. They should have recommended counseling or some other method to recuperate him. But they did nothing.
Originally posted by Draco69
I pay attention. The kid was a NATIVE AMERICAN. He wanted TRIBE SUPERMACY. Not Aryan supremacy. He idolized Hitler's ideals and incorporated into his own twisted life philosophy.
Hey Draco, before you accept all this information as fact, read what has been reported:
There was no immediate indication of Weise's motive. But several students said he held anti-social beliefs, and he may have posted messages on a neo-Nazi Web site expressing admiration for Adolf Hitler.
A writer who identified himself as Jeff Weise of the Red Lake Reservation posted the messages under the nickname "Todesengel" — German for "angel of death." An April 2004 posting by him referred to being accused of "a threat on the school I attend," though the writer later said he was cleared.
Tabman said it hadn't been determined if the writer was actually Weise
Students say he posted on a neo nazi website, no information has been confirmed, actually the FBI and police haven't let out too much info so far. Most of what has been reported is hearsay and testimonials by teenagers.
Whatever the case if people believed that he did this because he believed that his race was "impure" then they firmly have their head planted deep inside their ass.
Originally posted by Draco69
Of course I'm not blaming Hitler. I never said that. I blame the kid. He's to blame. He killed people. There's noone else to blame.
Actually, you're wrong there. Not only is the child to blame for his actions, but his father is to blame for the abandonment, his grandparents are to blame for obviously not knowing what was going on in his life, school officials were to blame for not flagging a kid who "apparently" had alot of problems, and all the little sh*ts from his school who picked on him and drove him around the bend all share a part in this.
It makes me shake my head when people try to package incidents like this or columbine in a neat and tidy box and say it's all one person's fault.
That's also why this is gonna keep on happening.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Hey Draco, before you accept all this information as fact, read what has been reported:Students say he posted on a neo nazi website, no information has been confirmed, actually the FBI and police haven't let out too much info so far. Most of what has been reported is hearsay and testimonials by teenagers.
Whatever the case if people believed that he did this because he believed that his race was "impure" then they firmly have their head planted deep inside their ass.
The information IS confirmed:
Weise was also found by the St. Paul Pioneer Press newspaper to have posted several comments last year on an online forum frequented by neo-Nazis. He used the pen names Todesengel, German for "angel of death," and "NativeNazi."
"I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations," Weise wrote in one session.
shared the Nazi goal of racial purity, saying that when he talked in school about that for his own Chippewa tribe, "I get the same old argument which seems to be so common around here. 'We need to mix all the races, to combine all the strengths.'"
"They (teachers) don't openly say that racial purity is wrong," he added, "yet when you speak your mind on the subject you get 'silenced' real quick by the teachers and likeminded school officials."
"When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazi's were evil and that Hitler was a very evil man," he said in another posting. "Of course, not for a second did I believe this. ... They truly were doing it for the better."
He also wrote that he planned to recruit high school students to join a neo-Nazi movement he hoped to start on his reservation.
"The only ones who oppose my views are the teachers at the high school, and a large portion of the student body who think a Nazi is a Klansman, or a White Supremacist thug," he wrote. "Most of the Natives I know have been poisoned by what they were taught in school."
Your newspaper is kinda floozy. My sources said completely different things.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually, you're wrong there. Not only is the child to blame for his actions, but his father is to blame for the abandonment, his grandparents are to blame for obviously not knowing what was going on in his life, school officials were to blame for not flagging a kid who "apparently" had alot of problems, and all the little sh*ts from his school who picked on him and drove him around the bend all share a part in this.It makes me shake my head when people try to package incidents like this or columbine in a neat and tidy box and say it's all one person's fault.
That's also why this is gonna keep on happening.
I agree that the school officials could have used their heads. They obviously had some predilection that the kids may have been a threat.
However, I don't buy the "grandparents and fathers" sob story. I don't care that his father committed suicide or that his mother supposedly abandoned him. Tough sh$%. We all have problems in our lives. However we don't go around shooting people because we can't deal with it. The kid is to blame. A loser, a murderer, a crackpot. I have no sympathy for him. I save it for the students who got shot.
Originally posted by Draco69
I agree that the school officials could have used their heads. They obviously had some predilection that the kids may have been a threat.However, I don't buy the "grandparents and fathers" sob story. I don't care that his father committed suicide or that his mother supposedly abandoned him. Tough sh$%. We all have problems in our lives. However we don't go around shooting people because we can't deal with it. The kid is to blame. A loser, a murderer, a crackpot. I have no sympathy for him. I save it for the students who got shot.
And that sort of mentality is what will allow this stuff to continue to happen. Keep looking at things on a small scale level, sure your own world might make a little bit more sense, and you might be a little more comfortable in it, but you aren't contributing to solving any problems.
Originally posted by Draco69
I don't consider CNN "floozy"
Funny, that's where I got my info from also.
The only way to prevent school shootings is for the school officials to use their heads and keep tabs on their students.
Your bleeding heart doesn't contribute anything either. We can't prevent child abandonment, we can't prevent children from getting warped ideologies in their brains, and we certainly can't prevent teenagers from getting teased. This is what happens in life. Sh$% happens. Either deal with it or move on. I don't have sympathy for the kid. He got teased. So what? That happens in school. It's never going to change. The best we can do is to help the kids cope. Liberality is all the same. "Let's talk, have a discussion, make peace with our feelings." It doesn't accomplish anything. This situation could have been prevented by the school officials.
Originally posted by Draco69
The only way to prevent school shootings is for the school officials to use their heads and keep tabs on their students.Your bleeding heart doesn't contribute anything either. We can't prevent child abandonment, we can't prevent children from getting warped ideologies in their brains, and we certainly can't prevent teenagers from getting teased. This is what happens in life. Sh$% happens. Either deal with it or move on. I don't have sympathy for the kid. He got teased. So what? That happens in school. It's never going to change. The best we can do is to help the kids cope. Liberality is all the same. "Let's talk, have a discussion, make peace with our feelings." It doesn't accomplish anything. This situation could have been prevented by the school officials.
First of all the fact that you point out my comments as being one from a "bleeding heart" is telling of how you look at things. I am looking at this situation as a cause and effect incident, without emotion.
There were causes and circumstances that resulted in this incident and I would think it's a little more deeper than, "the kid was just psycho".
You state, "The best we can do is to help the kids cope" I am really eager to listen as to how you suggest people do this or how the school officials could have prevented this rather than listen to your sympathy (or lack thereof) for those involved.
The school officials were fully aware of the teenager's danger to the school. He frequently got into debates with teachers and students about Hitler, neoNazism, and repeatedly address several students with comments of violence. The guidance counselor also was aware of the teenager's psychological problems. The teenager even once announced during a class movie that " That would be cool if I shot up the school" The teachers were present during this incident. The school officials are partly to blame.
How could they have prevented this incident? By informing the local authorities and suggesting psychological counseling. The teenager made several threats of violence towards the school before the shooting. This is equivalent to a bomb scare at a local mall. It is criminally expiable.
It seems to me that you symphathize with the teenager. Not the victims.