Batman ,Superman and GL(kyle) vs Spiderman ,Hulk and Thor

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
From what I have seen, GL can only create devices that perform actions, (such as a tractor to move dirt, or a big green head with a straw in its mouth to suck up water.) What makes you think he can create a radiation absorber? If he could do that, what's to stop him form making a super-nova cannon that destroys everyone. There must be a limit to the power of what he can create.

There is no limit. Just his imagination and his will. His ring can create anything its user desires as long as he can will it. His ring once also create a vibration distorting machine to blink out the angels. Or a a lightening absorbing figure model (Kyle's weird) to absorb attacks from Dr. Light. His ring can make things do anything. A green dragon that breathes fire. A a giant Japanese robot that can unleash energy attacks. These thinge he has already done. His limit is his power and his imagination. Kyle as an artist possesses a lot of imagination and his will is extremely commendable.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Then why wouldn't Thor attack Batman, then engage Superman?

Because Thor is battle-driven warrior that likes to fight the strongest opponents. He likes to test his mettle. He wouldn't waste time on Batman. That's why in Avenger battles he skips everyone else and goes straight for the strongest looking foe.

Then why can't Kyle just imagine a machine that will make him The Presence, or create machine that creates GL rings. There has to be some limit. If not, anyone with the GL ring would be omnipotent.

Creating a machine that would make him the Prescence would take an insane amount of will. Hal Jordan attempt something like this and failed. That's why he went to the Oa Battery Source. Kyle wouldn't be able to do that. His limits is his will. No mere mortal possesses the will to become God.

Kyle Rayner already (kinda) created GL rings. That's why the GL corps is back.

Some writers right GL as a person who can only fire green beams and have giant hands. However the skilled writers like Grant Morrison, Mark Millar and Judd Winick all have written GL to do impressive feats with his ring. GL once created an entire space fleet.

Kyle restored the battery. That's not creating rings.

In order for him to use this machine on Hulk, wouldn't he have to have greater will power than Hulk? If not, Hulk could resist it.

Sorry if you misunderstood. He created "temporary" rings. The rings were nowhere near as powerful, but they still got the job done. Giant Hands and such. They only lasted for like a half an hour though.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

In order for him to use this machine on Hulk, wouldn't he have to have greater will power than Hulk? If not, Hulk could resist it.

Concievably yes. But in GL's past feats, I think Kyle's willpower is much stronger than the Hulk. Green Arrow, a very strong-willed person, donned a GL ring to attack Sinestro. He could only form an arrow at best. The attempt nearly killed him. GL does far greater things all the time. His willpower is insane.

What? Are you talking about Ion? When he absorbed the main battery, he killed the Guardians, and the Corps. When he restored power, they were ressurected. Temporary rings? What issue did this happen?

Originally posted by Draco69
Concievably yes. But in GL's past feats, I think Kyle's willpower is much stronger than the Hulk. Green Arrow, a very strong-willed person, donned a GL ring to attack Sinestro. He could only form an arrow at best. The attempt nearly killed him. GL does far greater things all the time. His willpower is insane.

The Hulk blocks all logical thought. He believes he can do anything, and "smash" anyone. His will is indomitable. I believe his will is stronger than Kyle's.

It was WAY long ago. Back in the nineties. Kyle was still in that crappy old costume. I don't have the specific issue and my memory of the story is spotty. But Kyle was facing an old enemy of the GL corps. Since the GL Corps was destroyed (by the way it was Parallax that killed the Guardians, absorbed the main battery and the Corps) the surviving members wanted to help. Out of sheer willpower, Kyle created temporary rings for the surviving GL corps members.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The Hulk blocks all logical thought. He believes he can do anything, and "smash" anyone. His will is indomitable. I believe his will is stronger than Kyle's.

It's debatable. Kyle had the will to control the power of Ion, resist the Primodial Weapon and even resist the temptation of Spectre. His will is pretty damn strong.

As I said before it comes down to GL. If Hulk can resist GL then the Marvel team would have a significant edge.

Sorry gotta boot. It's late. Good night. ZZZZZZZ

According to the Ultimate Guide to the JLA, Ion (Kyle) killed the guardians when he absorbed the battery.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's debatable. Kyle had the will to control the power of Ion, resist the Primodial Weapon and even resist the temptation of Spectre. His will is pretty damn strong.

As I said before it comes down to GL. If Hulk can resist GL then the Marvel team would have a significant edge.

Sorry gotta boot. It's late. Good night. ZZZZZZZ

Same here. G'night.

spidey can take them by him self ,

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
According to the Ultimate Guide to the JLA, Ion (Kyle) killed the guardians when he absorbed the battery.

As Ion there was only one Guardian alive. He put the Ion power into a battery, and recreated the corps, and guardians.

PARALLAX absorbed the battery and killed most the Guardians. The ones that were left gave all their remaining strength to one and he went to earth to recruit the last GL. Then Parallax did his whole Zero Hour thing and then Hal redeemed himself to take out the Anti-Monitor in the FInal Night.... remaking the sun. The energies left his body and entered Kyle Rayners, making him ION. He released the energies back to the Central Battery, gave the Guardians their lives back, and brought Killowog back to life so that they can recreate the GL Corp. Kyle gave it up because when he was Ion he was omnipotnent and omniscient pretty much and he didnt want to lose his humanity so he chose humanity over power. Thats the story of Ion.

As far as the battle goes:
1. Since Banner has become in more controll of the Hulk personalities inside of him, he generally shows the "Professor" personality. But this form gets hurt often and is limited to his 100 level strength. The only way that Marvel would have a chance is if Savage Hulk was allowed to come out.

2. GL shields have been broken before but it all depends on how strong the will of the GL is, if their concentration is broken, and if they are fighting someone who has greater physical strength than their will. So if Kyle is distracted or his concentration broken, then Thor or Hulk may have a chance at breaking his shield. If not then there is no way.

3. Batman is an awesome strategist. He is underrated a lot fo the time. If he can stay away from fighting Thor or Hulk hand to hand then he would have a chance to monitor their strengths and weaknesses and come up with a plan. Batman gave the entire X-Men a run for their money when he fought them in All Access.

4. Sorry Spiderman fans but Spiderman is out of his league. If Batman is put inside one of GLs shields, he could take Spiderman. He is a more skilled and a smarter fighter. The field would protect Batman from getting KOed by one hit from Spiderman.

5. If Superman could get to Hulk first before he could get fully enraged and hit him hard enough, he could knock him out before the Hulk can do any real damage. I believe he would do so since he has fought Hulk twice once as Savage Hulk and once as Professor Hulk. Professor got KOed in one punch but it took much more fighting against Savage.

I think DC would have this one in the bag. Having GL on the team is too much of an advantage. It would be an interesting fight to see though.