Originally posted by me in another threadin many respects, you are right. almost all mainstream rap is just a simple cash in on other people's success. talented rappers like Tupac and Mobb Deep made rap big. they're lyrics told of their experiences with street violence and drugs and what not, but where not used to boast about themselves. modern artists just believe that if they spit about guns and girls then they are automatically 'rappers'. personally, i class people like 50 Cent, Chingy and Obie Trice as 'bullshitters'. they have little or no talent, and are just cashing in on other people's ideas.
HOWEVER, to say all modern rap is like that would be very wrong. non-rap fans may not know, but rap has several sub-genres as well. what you were talking about was gansta/mainstream rap, which (with a few exceptions) sucks penis. underground rap however, is a totally different story. i have to say that artists like Ras Kass and Cunninglynguists have produced some of the most intelligent and powerful lyrics i have ever come across. just ask hockeyhorror to post some examples, and you will change your minds completely.
saying all rap is mindless and repetitive is a prejudice. granted true, quality, intelligent rappers are a rare breed, but that doesnt mean they dont exist. its just another example of the modern music industry's shortcomings that assholes like G-Unit and P Diddy are rich and famous, while giving truly talented individuals like Immortal Technique and Chino XL a bad name.
sorry to b!ich on like that but i feel too many people on this forum trash rap when they really dont know much about it. im not saying i do, i just feel strongly about this kind of thing.
hockey> do you truly believe hip hop is dead at this moment? hip hop is alive and well, and going nowhere. what you're talking about sounds more like rap music.
remember, rap music is cyclical. meaning, one person (or small group) will create a style and as a result, everyone else in the industry will jump on the bandwagon. for example, look at how long people utilized james brown samples early in the game. at that point, almost every other rap artist used that sound until it got to be "dry and boring." then dre's "the chronic" came along using p-funk samples, and then every other rap artist copied that sound for the next generation of rap.
what is important is that one recognizes and acknowledges the influences made by specific individuals, and ignore the copycats. even more importantly, remember this is rap music we're speaking of, not hip hop.
hip hop will never die.
madsci
hip hop purist
every one gets confused with rap, they look at a couple rap artists out their talking about bentlys and money, crystal, bitches. but thats not wee rap started. real rap started out with great lyrics about their life and troubles they been through, mainstream rap turned to crap around the late ninties, wiht master p, and some other shitty ones. but you can see there is light coming at the end of the tunnel, now u got great writers coming out. great thing are happening to hip hop, because some rappers are realizing that they are putting an image of rap that f.ucks up some kids view on life. now theres nothing wrong with the party rap, just people think thats all thats out there.
Originally posted by madsci
hockey> do you truly believe hip hop is dead at this moment? hip hop is alive and well, and going nowhere. what you're talking about sounds more like rap music.remember, rap music is cyclical. meaning, one person (or small group) will create a style and as a result, everyone else in the industry will jump on the bandwagon. for example, look at how long people utilized james brown samples early in the game. at that point, almost every other rap artist used that sound until it got to be "dry and boring." then dre's "the chronic" came along using p-funk samples, and then every other rap artist copied that sound for the next generation of rap.
what is important is that one recognizes and acknowledges the influences made by specific individuals, and ignore the copycats. even more importantly, remember this is rap music we're speaking of, not hip hop.
hip hop will never die.
madsci
hip hop purist
i totally agree
hockey,you're f*cking crazy is you think hip-hop is dead, or "dry and boring".
the only artists you ever mention are chino xl,immortal,2pac,aesop rock,cunn,and for awhile there, doom.if that's all you listen to,then yea,it is dry.but you need to get out and learn some real underground artists.there's at least 50 i can name off the top of my head that you never mention who are better than chino xl,immortal,rass kass,ect.
get out and study homie.
damn...****ing idiot...
i typed fast and i put hip hop instead of rap...
dont just get pissed randomly.
madsci> i respect you took it calmly
mf d0om> calm down man.
and i posted the tracks for Dooms Madvillainy album.
and u dont know shit about which artists i like. i like alot man from pac to kas from jedi mind tricks to KMD.
man the list goes on. i just dont talk alot about hip hop here cuz most people are rock heads. and not alot of hip hop fans are on.
first off,i didnt get mad or nothin,i just dont like newjacks talking about hip-hop when they don't know what they're saying.i guarantee there's at least 100 really good hip hop(underground) artists you haven't even heard of,and that was my point.dont say hip-hop is dead or "dry" if you haven't even heard 80% of the artists that are putting in work.damn good work i might add.sure there's artists that put out crap,mainstream and underground,but there's far more who put out quality material that wont be heard by the masses.
it's all good,i aint even close to being mad or anything,i was just saying.
i still need to make a list