Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Imagine a man with an uncomfortable dermatological condition such as exema takes medication to supress it. Once in prison, it is decided that because this condition is considered cosmetic, he will no longer be administered medication to supress it. Forcing him to live the duration of his prison term without this medication would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
That's one such case where it would be acceptable, when it is actually a medical need because he'll be in pain without it.
I'm talking about these dipshits who drone "Oh, I'm a woman trapped in a mans body blah blah blah". If they actually NEED the medication, and without it would be in pain and such, then yeah, they should get it. Anything else, hell no.
Originally posted by PVS
thats different, as exema causes skin to crack open and cause alot of pain. comfort should be accomodated on that level, not "i would feel more comfortable if my genitals were mutilated to look like a woman's".
Originally posted by BackFire
That's one such case where it would be acceptable, when it is actually a medical need because he'll be in pain without it.I'm talking about these dipshits who drone "Oh, I'm a woman trapped in a mans body blah blah blah". If they actually NEED the medication, and without it would be in pain and such, then yeah, they should get it. Anything else, hell no.
Eczema is a dermatological condition that causes lesions. These lesions take various forms, from rashes and bumps to small fluid-filled pimples and red scaly patches of dry skin. Eczema can be a mild irritation or quite painful.
Eczema is not a health-threatening condition and therefore, treatment for Eczema is not medically necessary. Few would argue however, that a prisoner should be denied treatment for this condition as it would be cruel and or unusual.
For a transgendered person, hormone therapy is a medical treatment for a psychological condition. This condition is not health-threatening and therefore, treatment for this condition is not medically necessary. I would argue however, that a prisoner being denied treatment for this condition would be cruel and or unusual.
Bottom line, in my opinion, I don't feel that I need to pay for a prisoners insurance. However, gender reassignment is hardly the same thing as eczema. However, I do understand the correlation between physical pain and psycological pain. BUT! The luxury of the tax payers footing the bill for me to have my very special no-no spot removed and then become a woman is not a burden with which the public should have to deal. Life is unfair, but which is more unfair? That I want to be a woman and can't afford it, or that people I don't know have to pay for it? If we want to pretend that we are all responsible for how god made us, then we are all taking a position on god...and responsibility for his "mistakes". Wanting public funding for sex change operations is WAY different than wanting equal rights for homosexuals.
This isn't a matter of equal rights. Maybe the public is paying for eczema treatment for prisioners, I'm against that too. As it is, we pay for their cable tv. A luxury that many citizens don't enjoy I might add.
Despite my disgust for Napalm, and people like him, I don't think he should have to pay for a gay man to become a straight woman.
"Eczema can be a mild irritation or quite painful."
Which is more then "transgendered" (also known as crackpots/psychos) would ever suffer.
However, as Afro points out, this is not the topic of discussion. The topic of discussion is actual sex change operation performed at the expense of tax dollar, which is undeniably idiotic. This is infinitely different then some guy with a mutilated dick that's supposed to be a vagina wanting medication so his breats will be big and his voice will be feminine.
Originally posted by BackFire
(also known as crackpots/psychos) would ever suffer.
Not so. Come on man. It doesn't take a crack pot. Despite the fact that I don't understand wanting to cut off your no no spots! You still have to accept AND respect those that do want to commit such an act. They believe it's their nature and calling. Who am I(or those like me) to argure? (Cut it off all you want...you can't turn back. Why be gay unless you want dick?) BUT!...(descisions are descisions. It's all about the person)
BUT IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PUBLIC....OR, THE GOVERNMENT THAT REPRESENTS THEM.
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I have nothing against the LGBT community and support many of their causes except this one about the taxpayers or insurance paying for a complete sex reassignment surgery due to equality.
I am upset because insurance won't pay for necessary procedures or medication for many of its members (dental, facial deformities from birth or due to an accident, etc..). At my last job I earned $33K a year & I paid $400+ monthly for my single person policy health insurance and I had to pay a $20 copay everytime I saw a doctor but I was declined a root canal so I lost my tooth, I had to pay for my own estrogen medication (I went through early menopause due to an illness) and they would not cover my acne medication because I hit the age of 40, they would not cover treatments for my face to make the burns on my face less visible (I have to pay out of pocket $200 per 15 minute session for the treatment) and this has caused me great distress, humiliation and I have been mistreated and dismissed (by my employers and the public) due to the fact that I work at a job where I have in person contact with the public and they get a little startled when they first see me BUT they will be using the money that I paid into this insurance and my tax dollars to give someone else what I need for my survival, the ability to earn a salary (I was laid off and due to my appearance and my age I have not been able to find a job) and for my mental well being, How is that equality.
So I am not entitled to the services and treatments that I need but if I decide I want to be a man they will pay for the entire surgery, medications, treatment and therapy sessions that I would need for my transformation. WTF
Is the Equality part that they feel they are entitled to are the cosmetic procedures that straight females and males get, paid for by the insurance? Well the insurance does not pay for women to get breast augmentations, butt implants, facial & body hair removal, nose jobs, feminization of the face or voice and they do not provide penile enlargement or testicle replacement, muscle implants to men, so why should they pay for it for a select group of people? That is gender bias against women and men and preferential treatment for the transgender community; if we were all afforded these services then I'd be for it 100% because that would be equality among the sexes.
While I will agree to give them the sex reassignment below the waist and the male/female hormones I will never agree to them getting the elective surgery that they want, they should have to pay for it out of their own pockets like the rest of us.