Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
second shot:
TOAA
LT
Infinity/Eternity/Death/Phoenix Force
Abraxas/True Beyonders
Celestials/Full-Power Franklin Richards
Galactus
Kosmos/Kubik/Shaper of Worlds
Oblivion/Order/Chaos/Chronos
Tyrant/Korvac
Sentry/Hyperstorm/Onslaught
Surtur/Zeus/Odin
Silver Surfer/Magneto/Thor
Dormammu/Set/Chthon/Gaia
Cable/X-Man
Lots of shit missing and incorrect.
Oblivion/Order/Chaos are high end cosmic beings should be below eternity.
Dormammu/Set/Chthon/Gaia --- they are above sky father.
i will make a decent list for marvel soon.
Power rankings:
Worked out in such a way that the higher levels could, theoretically, when written correctly, beat the levels below them.
1. The One Above All
2. Living Tribunal - being the judge of the whole Multiverse means he's the lone being that bridges the gap between Realities and the The One Above All, he's on this level by himself. Even though his will has been thwarted by Korvac.
3. The Infinity Gauntlet - no explanation needed here. Everyone and everything below this level would be owned by anyone who wields this weapon. Arguably, it can rival the Living Tribunal in power (hey, if Korvac can).
4. Eternity, Infinity, Death and Oblivion - these four abstracts see each other as equals and opposites. Oblivion doesn't get as much coverage as the other three but these four has some type of 'agreement' between them. In Cosmos in Collision, there was a cosmic struggle between Infinity and Oblivion (with their avatars) and universal powers were in attendance as spectators because they couldn't do anything but watch (the entire race of Watchers, the Fourth Celestial Host, Galactus, numerous alien races...) In terms of universal importance, Galactus would be on this level, in terms of power he's a step below.
5. Galactus, Celestials, Phoenix Force, The Starbrand - Galactus maintains the universal balance between life and death, has vast cosmic powers (enough to create a being who can destroy entire galaxies) and was the sole survivor of the old universe. The cosmic scientists control vast cosmic energies, can hurl planets with ease and manipulate reality to an extent. The Phoenix Force needs no explanation.
6. Order and Chaos, Chronos - The galactic balance. Everything in the universe is in their sphere of influence and follow the laws of order and chaos (except Warlock and Thanos). Both command vast cosmic energies and can manipulate reality. The God of Time is self explanatory.
7. Love and Hate, The Stranger, In-Betweener - The cosmic manipulators Love and Hate would have to be powerful to be called to arms against Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. The Stranger is the collective power of Gigantus, also commands vast cosmic power. The servant of Order and Chaos has ultimate power when there are dualities to be exploited. The Destroyer Armor powered by all Asgardians and the Uni Mind powered by all Eternals would be on this level.
8. The Vishanti, Cosmic Cubes, Eon - Kosmos, Kubik and the Shaper of Worlds can manipulate reality on a global scale. The plant-like Eon is several billion years old, has cosmic awareness and appoints protectors of the universe. The combined power of Agamotto, Oshtur and Hoggoth form the Vishanti.
9. Elder Gods, Dormammu - Gaea was the mother god of most of the pantheonic skyfathers, she and her contemporaries, Chthon, Demiurge, etc... make up this level. Dormammu is the master of several dimensions and commands vast mystic powers, he along with his sister are on this level.
10. Surtur, Tyrant, Korvac - Surtur could theoretically destroy the universe with the Twilight Sword. Tyrant has destroyed galaxies in his fight against Galactus. Korvac was powered by the cosmic energy from Galactus' World Ship.
11. Cyttorak - powers the Juggernaut and the unbreakable crimson bands
12. Skyfathers, Zuras - some would say Odin is on the same level as Surtur but he needed Thor and Loki to take him down, and Odin's brothers delayed him the first time. The Earth eternals are more powerful than the Titan eternals so their leader and ancestor is on this level.
13. Enigma Force - a force that travels the universe empowering individuals in order to avert certain catastrophes.
14. Destroyer Armor and Mindless Ones
15. Mephisto - in his realm he's supreme, unless it's a higher power like Galactus. Outside of it, he's relatively harmless.
16. Thanos, Morg (WOL), The Sphinx - Thanos stood up to Odin and Tyrant but took quite a beating and by the end of it had trouble getting up. Morg took down the combined effort of all the heralds. The Sphinx is a little harder to gauge but he fought Galactus once... and lost.
17. Elders of the Universe, Black Bolt, Mentor, Adam Warlock - No one's seen a full powered scream from Blackbolt, chances are it'll kill anyone below this level. Warlock, like Thanos, stands outside the influence of Order and Chaos. The Elders are powered by the power primordial.
18. Thor, Hercules, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Quasar & all Protectors, Blackheart, Deathurge, Drax, Hyperion, Eternals
19. Loki, Dr Strange, Annihilus, Firelord, Nova, Airwalker, Super Skrull, Inhumans
20. Apocalypse, Hulk... everyone else
I might put Adversary, Darkchilde, Merlyn, Necrom, Feron around 16 at the very least. Necrom with anti-phoenix should be at least 11.
Ego could be placed at 6 as a single Celestial was a pain to him, but 5 if Exile's alternate version can be a valid demonstration too (he took on two Celestials). Super Ego could be between 4 and 5.
Mistress Love and Sire Hate should be also with the other abstracts Order and Chaos, and Chronos as there is no justification that one could upsurp the other.
The Watcher should also be at 7 and their off branched race the Critic between 6 and 7 for their lesser inclination to not get involved.
Impossible Man should be at least 10. Although he's often done more physical feats, he has recreated a planet with sentient life on a whim once.
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Originally posted by K Von Doom
Power rankings:Worked out in such a way that the higher levels could, theoretically, when written correctly, beat the levels below them.
1. The One Above All
2. Living Tribunal - being the judge of the whole Multiverse means he's the lone being that bridges the gap between Realities and the The One Above All, he's on this level by himself. Even though his will has been thwarted by Korvac.
3. The Infinity Gauntlet - no explanation needed here. Everyone and everything below this level would be owned by anyone who wields this weapon. Arguably, it can rival the Living Tribunal in power (hey, if Korvac can).
4. Eternity, Infinity, Death and Oblivion - these four abstracts see each other as equals and opposites. Oblivion doesn't get as much coverage as the other three but these four has some type of 'agreement' between them. In Cosmos in Collision, there was a cosmic struggle between Infinity and Oblivion (with their avatars) and universal powers were in attendance as spectators because they couldn't do anything but watch (the entire race of Watchers, the Fourth Celestial Host, Galactus, numerous alien races...) In terms of universal importance, Galactus would be on this level, in terms of power he's a step below.
5. Galactus, Celestials, Phoenix Force, The Starbrand - Galactus maintains the universal balance between life and death, has vast cosmic powers (enough to create a being who can destroy entire galaxies) and was the sole survivor of the old universe. The cosmic scientists control vast cosmic energies, can hurl planets with ease and manipulate reality to an extent. The Phoenix Force needs no explanation.
6. Order and Chaos, Chronos - The galactic balance. Everything in the universe is in their sphere of influence and follow the laws of order and chaos (except Warlock and Thanos). Both command vast cosmic energies and can manipulate reality. The God of Time is self explanatory.
7. Love and Hate, The Stranger, In-Betweener - The cosmic manipulators Love and Hate would have to be powerful to be called to arms against Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. The Stranger is the collective power of Gigantus, also commands vast cosmic power. The servant of Order and Chaos has ultimate power when there are dualities to be exploited. The Destroyer Armor powered by all Asgardians and the Uni Mind powered by all Eternals would be on this level.
8. The Vishanti, Cosmic Cubes, Eon - Kosmos, Kubik and the Shaper of Worlds can manipulate reality on a global scale. The plant-like Eon is several billion years old, has cosmic awareness and appoints protectors of the universe. The combined power of Agamotto, Oshtur and Hoggoth form the Vishanti.
9. Elder Gods, Dormammu - Gaea was the mother god of most of the pantheonic skyfathers, she and her contemporaries, Chthon, Demiurge, etc... make up this level. Dormammu is the master of several dimensions and commands vast mystic powers, he along with his sister are on this level.
10. Surtur, Tyrant, Korvac - Surtur could theoretically destroy the universe with the Twilight Sword. Tyrant has destroyed galaxies in his fight against Galactus. Korvac was powered by the cosmic energy from Galactus' World Ship.
11. Cyttorak - powers the Juggernaut and the unbreakable crimson bands
12. Skyfathers, Zuras - some would say Odin is on the same level as Surtur but he needed Thor and Loki to take him down, and Odin's brothers delayed him the first time. The Earth eternals are more powerful than the Titan eternals so their leader and ancestor is on this level.
13. Enigma Force - a force that travels the universe empowering individuals in order to avert certain catastrophes.
14. Destroyer Armor and Mindless Ones
15. Mephisto - in his realm he's supreme, unless it's a higher power like Galactus. Outside of it, he's relatively harmless.
16. Thanos, Morg (WOL), The Sphinx - Thanos stood up to Odin and Tyrant but took quite a beating and by the end of it had trouble getting up. Morg took down the combined effort of all the heralds. The Sphinx is a little harder to gauge but he fought Galactus once... and lost.
17. Elders of the Universe, Black Bolt, Mentor, Adam Warlock - No one's seen a full powered scream from Blackbolt, chances are it'll kill anyone below this level. Warlock, like Thanos, stands outside the influence of Order and Chaos. The Elders are powered by the power primordial.
18. Thor, Hercules, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Quasar & all Protectors, Blackheart, Deathurge, Drax, Hyperion, Eternals
19. Loki, Dr Strange, Annihilus, Firelord, Nova, Airwalker, Super Skrull, Inhumans
20. Apocalypse, Hulk... everyone else
Franklin should be on that lest, and so should scarlet witch. never underestimate the reality warpers
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
I would put the Phoenix Force on the level of Eternity and Death etc.... its a true multiversal entity, unlike Galactus. It exists across universes. When Rachel's team met their alternate reality counterparts, she didnt have one.
Rachel's appeared in What Ifs, which are alternate realities, so she has counterparts in other realities
Originally posted by K Von Doom
Rachel's appeared in What Ifs, which are alternate realities, so she has counterparts in other realities
its not stated that those Rachels are different from the current one though. you'd have to have Rachel meet an alternate version of herself. Also, Rachel isn't the Phoenix right now since her mother reclaimed the mantle long ago.
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
its not stated that those Rachels are different from the current one though. you'd have to have Rachel meet an alternate version of herself. Also, Rachel isn't the Phoenix right now since her mother reclaimed the mantle long ago.
The Rachel in the What If I'm referring to died so it might be safe to say that it's not the mainstream one. Why would Rachel have to meet them?
Originally posted by K Von Doom
Power rankings:Worked out in such a way that the higher levels could, theoretically, when written correctly, beat the levels below them.
1. The One Above All
2. Living Tribunal - being the judge of the whole Multiverse means he's the lone being that bridges the gap between Realities and the The One Above All, he's on this level by himself. Even though his will has been thwarted by Korvac.
3. The Infinity Gauntlet - no explanation needed here. Everyone and everything below this level would be owned by anyone who wields this weapon. Arguably, it can rival the Living Tribunal in power (hey, if Korvac can).
4. Eternity, Infinity, Death and Oblivion Plus Phoenix Force - these four abstracts see each other as equals and opposites. Oblivion doesn't get as much coverage as the other three but these four has some type of 'agreement' between them. In Cosmos in Collision, there was a cosmic struggle between Infinity and Oblivion (with their avatars) and universal powers were in attendance as spectators because they couldn't do anything but watch (the entire race of Watchers, the Fourth Celestial Host, Galactus, numerous alien races...) In terms of universal importance, Galactus would be on this level, in terms of power he's a step below. The Phoenix Force needs no explanation.
5. Galactus, Celestials, The Starbrand - Galactus maintains the universal balance between life and death, has vast cosmic powers (enough to create a being who can destroy entire galaxies) and was the sole survivor of the old universe. The cosmic scientists control vast cosmic energies, can hurl planets with ease and manipulate reality to an extent.
6. Order and Chaos, Chronos - The galactic balance. Everything in the universe is in their sphere of influence and follow the laws of order and chaos (except Warlock and Thanos). Both command vast cosmic energies and can manipulate reality. The God of Time is self explanatory.
7. Love and Hate, The Stranger, In-Betweener - The cosmic manipulators Love and Hate would have to be powerful to be called to arms against Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. The Stranger is the collective power of Gigantus, also commands vast cosmic power. The servant of Order and Chaos has ultimate power when there are dualities to be exploited. The Destroyer Armor powered by all Asgardians and the Uni Mind powered by all Eternals would be on this level.
8. The Vishanti, Cosmic Cubes, Eon - Kosmos, Kubik and the Shaper of Worlds can manipulate reality on a global scale. The plant-like Eon is several billion years old, has cosmic awareness and appoints protectors of the universe. The combined power of Agamotto, Oshtur and Hoggoth form the Vishanti.
9. Surtur, Tyrant, Korvac - Surtur could theoretically destroy the universe with the Twilight Sword. Tyrant has destroyed galaxies in his fight against Galactus. Korvac was powered by the cosmic energy from Galactus' World Ship.
10. Elder Gods, Dormammu - Gaea was the mother god of most of the pantheonic skyfathers, she and her contemporaries, Chthon, Demiurge, etc... make up this level. Dormammu is the master of several dimensions and commands vast mystic powers, he along with his sister are on this level.
11. Cyttorak - powers the Juggernaut and the unbreakable crimson bands
12. Skyfathers, Zuras - some would say Odin is on the same level as Surtur but he needed Thor and Loki to take him down, and Odin's brothers delayed him the first time. The Earth eternals are more powerful than the Titan eternals so their leader and ancestor is on this level.
13. Enigma Force - a force that travels the universe empowering individuals in order to avert certain catastrophes.
14. Destroyer Armor and Mindless Ones
15. Mephisto - in his realm he's supreme, unless it's a higher power like Galactus. Outside of it, he's relatively harmless.
16. Thanos, Morg (WOL), The Sphinx, The Sentry - Thanos stood up to Odin and Tyrant but took quite a beating and by the end of it had trouble getting up. Morg took down the combined effort of all the heralds. The Sphinx is a little harder to gauge but he fought Galactus once... and lost. I added in the Sentry here. I'm going on the say so of Spiderman, Sentry stalemating Galactus.
17. Elders of the Universe, Black Bolt, Mentor, Adam Warlock - No one's seen a full powered scream from Blackbolt, chances are it'll kill anyone below this level. Warlock, like Thanos, stands outside the influence of Order and Chaos. The Elders are powered by the power primordial.
18. Dr. Strange, Thor, Hercules, Silver Surfer, Genis Vell, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Quasar & all Protectors, Blackheart, Deathurge, Drax, Hyperion, Eternals
19. Loki, Annihilus, Firelord, Nova, Airwalker, Super Skrull, Inhumans
20. Apocalypse, Hulk... everyone else
I kinda changed it around a little. Hope you don't mind. 😬