Mind**** movies

^ yes, excellent film!

I didn't find 21 Grams hard to follow, but yes, good film indeed.

Many listed above are great. I love Charlie Kaufman's stories:

Eternal Sunshine

Adaptation

Being John Malkovich

I have a pet peeve with this topic. How the hell did the Matrix confuse anyone? It was so simple. They put it all in front of you and told you nearly everything. The story was ingenious but it wasn't hard to figure out. That always bugs me when people say they didn't get it.

Clockwork orange

A lot of films people have mentioned I didn't find hard at all to follow.

Originally posted by MildPossession
I didn't find 21 Grams hard to follow, but yes, good film indeed.

ploy wise its very simple indeed...its the matter that the scenes are not in chronilogical order that makes it weird

the best description i read about was that the film is like a shuffled deck of cards...each scene is a different card taken from the pack and only when most or all of the cards are seen and put in order does the whole thing make sense

Angel Heart, check it out

I hated Vanilla SKy, it was crap!

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
American History X
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

I liked the start of Vanilla Sky, but apart from that it was pointless, Open Your Eyes is the fantastic original.

saw....

Originally posted by MildPossession
A lot of films people have mentioned I didn't find hard at all to follow.

I wouldn't describe mindf*ck's as films that are hard to follow... but ones that just make you think or, well, f*ck with your mind...

Fight Club
Donnie Darko
Total Recall
And, in my opinion, Apocalypse Now. The second half of the movie is surreal. And I've only seen the longer Redux version. The movie was really weird: the way it looked, those French people, Marlon Brando reciting poetry or something. It was nuts.

Donnie Darko (favorite movie ever)
Pi
Requim for a Dream

Originally posted by jaden101
****...yeah...forgot about that one...great film...still dont have a clue whether they are pro or anti gaming at the end of it though

has anyone seen the film that vanilla sky was based on...its called "open your eyes"...would like to know if its any good before getting it

I think they were anti. Im pretty sure it ended with them being back into reality. The machines they were jacked in were more realistic.. the creater of the game was paranoid thinking someone was going to kill him/ showing character .. much unlike a lot of the GAMES character types .. good ****ing movie

i'm glad people have mentioned 'in the mouth of madness' and 'jacob's ladder' otherwise i would of had to crack some skulls. also 'ichi: the killer' which i still dont understand to this day.

Natural Born Killers is also a movie which ****s with my head, I get what its about okay, its just the way its made freaks me out.

Originally posted by Wendigo
Clockwork orange

Now cmon, it wasnt that confusing

A Clockwork Orange
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Fight Club

Now, by mind-phuck I don't mean that they were hard to follow, but that they phuck with your mind because after you watch you can't stop thinking about the movie and the concepts/ideas it presented.

Stories told in a way that becomes a joy to try and figure out. Like the horizon, noone knows where the story is going to end up, and we can only ride it and be excited. These type of films are mind effing movies.thus a great deal of the films above fall into the catagory.

It's important to note that a person needs not point to horror films, as they of course eff your emotion and sense of equilibrium. They are rarely "horizon" films.

This said, the following is my list. I know I'm missing some.

2001
David Lynch Films(almost all of them, though Muholland was cheating)
Charlie Kaufman films
Memento
Clockwork Orange
Pi
Requim for a Dream
Le Jette
The adventures of Priscella, queen of the desert (I know someone will argue against this one)
Donnie Darko