Influence of Matrix on OTHER films

Originally posted by forumcrew
gun-kata is very different from dodging bullets in the matrix, in the matrix agents moved fast and neo well neo could control the construct, in equilibrium the gramaton clerics have no special ability apart from their martial arts like gun training

You are assuming he had seen the Matrix.

Originally posted by JediHDM
You are assuming he had seen the Matrix.

Assumptions make donkeys out of you and me.

Originally posted by xeous
Assumptions make donkeys out of you and me.

Before the Japanese in the 1700's everybody KNEW that the world was flat, before modern Astronomy everybody KNEW that the Sun and Moon rotated around the Earth. Assumptions believed to be fact or visa-versa?

Originally posted by JediHDM
You are assuming he had seen the Matrix.

Equilibrium is '1982' crossed with 'the matrix'

My reasons for believing that Equilibrium was influenced by the Matrix.

1) Agents of the system dodging bullets, in both films.
2) The Government lobby shoot out scene, again in both films.
3) Neo glowing white after destoying Smith, Preston wearing all white at the end of the film.
4) After Neo destroys Smith the look that he gave which made the two agents run away. Same look Preston gave agents that were on the computers broadcasting Father's message and again equal reaction on their parts, they ran away.

mook> it's 1984, not 1982.

and my point is that, there were many books of an anti-hero type nature before the 20th century, and many many more in the 20th century. just because the Matrix has bullet-time doesn't mean everything that has bullet time, or 'agents' 'dodging' bullets is copied off the Matrix.

>Jedi HDM " just because the Matrix has bullet-time doesn't mean everything that has bullet time, or 'agents' 'dodging' bullets is copied off the Matrix."

I disagree (although maybe I don't know what I'm talking about). Didn't the Bros INVENT "bullet time", at least in a cinematographic sense?? I think that anyone else who uses this technique IS directly using The Matrix.

Yes, the technique of increasing tension by slowing down or freezing an intense action mid-stream is very old, but The Bros added to this in two ways -- 1) bullet time; 2) the freeze-time rotation of the camera so that you see an instant of an action (like Trinity's kick) from many angles.

Of course, BOTH of these techniques can be seen as direct insertions of comic-book techniques into movies -- "bullet time" is exactly how a comic book writer would show you rapid movement like a moving. And ALL comic book pictures are "instants" of action frozen in time.

yes, the brothers took an idea long used in comic books, and transfered it to film. in this sense, they are the creators of bullet-time. but, as you also pointed out, they just improved on a previous idea.

Would the recent Star Wars films have used martial arts in the fight scenes if not for the matrix. And did the matrix bring Martial arts into Hollywood fight scenes?

Of course they would have. Martial arts while using lightsabers is older than the Matrix...it has been in books, games, etc. in the realm of Star Wars.

Of course how stupid of me! I mean Return of the Jedi had the best martial arts fight scenes i ever seen in any movie, not to mention Empire Strikes Back. And those Ewoks well great Kung Fu masters they were.

Any body seen Equilibrium?

Starring the new Batman?

I think the film 'A Beautiful Mind' was definitely influenced by the matrix and that influenced Reloaded. My reasons:

Russell Crowe's character is one that can see hidden mathematical code in everything. When in the film Ed Harris's charachter first comes to see him his office number on the door is 101. Earlier on in the film we see Russell Crowe walking behind birds as he is trying to work out this theory of Governing Dynamics.

Now fast forward to Reloaded and we see the Architect saying that the matrix was based on a harmony of mathamatical equations. Also when the Oracle was talking to Neo and she pointed to the birds and said that there was a program written to 'govern them', and she never used that word again.

uh...you realize that 'a beautiful mind' was a true story, right? that it's not based on anything but the true story of mr. Nash (?). Also, as has been said before, 101 is the room number of the room in 1984 where people are reeducated to love big brother.

Originally posted by JediHDM
uh...you realize that 'a beautiful mind' was a true story, right? that it's not based on anything but the true story of mr. Nash (?). Also, as has been said before, 101 is the room number of the room in 1984 where people are reeducated to love big brother.

again i say, the use of the room number '101' did not originate with the matrix, nor will it end with the Matrix...

Originally posted by JediHDM
again i say, the use of the room number '101' did not originate with the matrix, nor will it end with the Matrix...

Originally posted by Numo
Although I know that you love to have the last word, I will say that at least on this we are in agreement, but it's use after the matrix will be because of the matrix.

ok, i will agree with that, since our society is becoming more and more electronic based and less literature based, people will equate 101 with Matrix rather than its originator...

...and i'm not trying to have the last word...