I'm with you guys on the digital remakes of the OT, but to be honest - Lucas should have never made it this way in the first place.
Instead of making his Original Trilogy look inferior, he should have tried to make the PT as close and as consistent to the OT as possible. Instead, the PT has superpowerred Jedi who do things that seem like yet another vehicle for Lucas to peddle his CGI with.
The OT is his basis, and any good artist knows that consistency is key. Lucas overlooked consistency in favour of visual splendour. How ironic he was the one to coin the phrase "weak minded fool".
I mean, Lucas has made the excuse that the PT is when the Jedi are in their heyday - so thats why they are almost like superheroes. I'm sorry, but I have to call bullshit on this one.
And who thought that "upgrading" the Jedi repertoire for the PT was a good idea anyway? It defies all logic to do that. Lucas wrote the rules in ANH, bent them for ESB and ROTJ, and then threw them out of the window with the PT.
The Original Trilogy is arguably, and most widely acknowledged as the greatest series of movies ever made. It didn't need superpowerred Jedi. So why does it now? Since when would any true Star Wars fan consider visual effects and "Uber Jedi" to be paramount? It only adds to the inconsistency.
I say leave the OT as it is. That's how it has always been.
It should be the PT's visuals and Jedi Superheroes that should be cut and taken down a peg or two.
you have to remember that lucas diddent have the budget to do expensive fight scenes in the OT...he did the best he could, espicially in ANH, i mean he made that outta like nothing. but i am for redoing the OT fights with a bit of CG, not a complete overhall but like add some new stuff so that the fights dont look completly retarted
I don't think all the fights in the OT need work, just Obi-wan vs Vader in ANH. Not just for us, but for future generations who see them in order and watch this bad ass slug fest in ROTS, only to get to ANH with expectations of a rematch, and then see them barely hitting each other. And audiences then will just look and say, well sure, maybe Vader's less powerful than before, but what's Obi's excuse. We just watched Dooku and Palpatine whoop ass in the PT, so why shouldn't Obi be a bit faster? They don't need to take away the shots that are there, he just needs to add a couple new ones with two or three good moves, use the existing footage to bridge these moves, and the fight will look better.
The fight in ESB should NOT be touched, because, and I think this is clear now in its current form, that Vader is toying with Luke because he wants to turn him. That one handed fighting makes it obvious. That fight is almost more of a spiritual one than a literal one. And once Vader's good and pissed, he does whoop the crap outta Luke. So we know he could kill him easily if he wanted to. So no edits there.
And ROTJ, the fights fine, just a little short, only thing they should add, is Vader's saber flying into his grasp after he throws it at Luke, its implied, he walks down those stairs sans saber, reaches the bottom and you can hear it ignite. But thats minor and doesn't NEED to be done. As for Luke's rushing of Vader at the end, his moves imply an immense amount of anger and rash thinking, as they should, his friends have been threatened. So no edits need be in ROTJ either.
They just need the big Anakin/Kenobi re-match to look more emotional. It was fine when we didn't know how deep their wounds ran, but now that we do, I want to see the hate, the fire, I want Vader to want some pay back. His dialogue is so bad ass, why not his moves? It would be cool if it was implied through their actions a little more that Obi-wan just isn't walking away from this BEFORE he literally can't. It would be more gut wrentching to watch honestly. Its just too sterile right now. I know this may seem like nit picking to some, but Lucas opened the door for editing with his SE and now with the PT, he's created a need for FURTHER edits.
Red Superfly--- I SO TOTALLY agree! Let me just say, I've done my share of rationalizing and defending the prequels for others, the clean to dirty universe makes sense to me. The ships becoming more industrial, that all works for me. But the over all consistency is VERY hard to defend because of the very things you pointed out. The Jedi being acrobatic is ok, the jedi being able to move anything with the force is ok, but they really could have toned down the fights a little more, made them look like they were draining to the characters a bit more, Yoda sighs at the end of his fight, even little things like that would show that the fight is hard. I realize that these fights are more "fight hard and fast or die" but they still could have looked more like the OT fights if they'd just been shot a bit differently.
People are looking at this the entirely wrong way....
You have incredible fight scenese in Episodes 1, 2 and 3.... Think of it... In episode 4, 5 and 6... There are only 3 Jedis.. and shit two of them die and one is trying to train still????? Think... Remember that Obi-Wan in 4 was trying to buy time so the others can get away and he sacraficed himself... Man, we didn't need a suber duel for that... Did we?
Also remember, Lucas didnt' have the technology nor the resources back in the 70's and 80's as he does now. This guy took over 30 years to make over a BILLION dollars... So who cares how me made the movie... He's doing something to continue the legacy of Star Wars...
As far as the Light Saber battes between the OT and PT???? I just say Differnt times.... So who really cares, let's really enjoy the movies for what they are and how the story all comes together.. That's all I care about.
well...no offense...but duh. that's why we (some of us) beleive NOW they should go in and spruce up the fight in ANH. I mean think about it, Vader HATES Kenobi after what happened in III. Their rematch needs a bit more fire in it, more emotion, more anger. YES Kenobi is stalling, but that's all the MORE reason he needs to be furiously fighting for his life as long as he needs to. In its current form, there's no danger, its looks too controled.
But the other fights with Luke, we've already said its because he's in training and Vader is toying with him. No complaints there.
im with jedi styles on this one.....
vader IS trying to kick obis ass....but obi is just holding him off. you cant expect an old man and a machine to start flipping and backflipping and dancing all over the place.
we get all the saber duels we want in the PT. the OT makes more sense with the fighting since theres no jedi and no proper training anymore. its not like vader can practise his sword fighting since hes had no one to fight against for years. same as obi.
remaking it would make it look WORSE, not better. obi doesnt NEED to face off vader in another massive duel coz he knows this is it, hes gonna be one with the force.
personally, i find vader much more of an opposing character because he DOESNT fight like PT jedi. he can just wave his hand and kill stuff.
my thoughts......concluded.
I can't expect an old man to start flipping huh? I seem to remember Dooku, who was older than Ben Kenobi, flipping into the fight with Yoda, jumping over lightsaber blades. Then Yoda does his flips even though he normally walks with a cain. Then Palpatine LEAPS OVER A FREAKIN' DESK!!!! Why yousa thinkin' old men can't flip? And I agree Mist, Obi and Vader don't need ANOTHER 13 minutes, but the fight does need to look better than what I used to do in my backyard in my younger days!!! Its just gonna look REALLY bad. We know all the rationalizations, but the films need to be realtively self explanatory for future generations (like most films). Instead he's created this TERRIBLE inconsistency, one says old men can fight like they're 20, the other says oh, no now they can't. It just looks bad. And I don't really want Vader flipping, or Obi-wan for that matter, they just need smoother, more powerful looking strikes with their sabers. right now they look like they're moving 2 miles per hour with those strikes. i want them to crackle, lock sabers, almost hit each other. Not stay a careful distance away because they don't want to put out an eye. Sorry, it just looks like crap. And since he insists on changing things for consistency's sake, he needs to fix this, cuz right now, its DAMN inconsistent.
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dooku and yoda - thats why he shouldnt have done it. sure, it looks cool, but then 20yrs down the track, yoda can hardly put his blanket on properly, let alone bust out some moves.
i need to watch them fight again in ANH, coz i havent watched for ages...
oh see, that's why. Go watch them in order and you'll just feel empty when you watch the ANH fight. They stay an obviously safe distance away from each other, they don't really try to hurt one another. It kinda looks like when boxers get to that stage where they look like they're hugging, but barely still hitting each other. I get that Obi's just toying with him, thats fine, but Vader can't look like he's playing along because he has to look like he really wants to kill him. Now I'm not jsut saying this because of the PT either, I can't believe they ever let that fight in as it was filmed. The ESB and ROTJ duels look WAAAAAY better, and I think they still hold up to the PT. But ANH, wow. Its just a weak fight. They need to leave the current shots intact, CGI a hooded Obi-wan (they already have some) and a Vader and put some extra hits in between so it at least looks like Vader is trying. The only hit where it looks like he's trying is when he "kills" him (which I'm still not clear on whether he did or not). Just a couple shots, nothing to nuts, to make it look like its a FIGHT. Even Lucas, who wrote it, who understands the emotion better than anyone supposedly, should grasp that Vader wants some payback, he's still one powerful mofo, even if he can't flip, he can still fence like Dooku but better, so have him stand their menacingly, but have him swing with purpose while he does it.