Originally posted by lil bitchiness
''If I give myself up, or even if I dont, America will bomb Iraq regardless''^^ Saddam Hussein (not cited, since i dont know exact quote)
Yeah, I also remenber him saying this:
"We are ready to sacrifice our souls, our children and our families so as not to give up Iraq."
And after the Bombing of the U.S.S Cole he clearly stated:
"Iraqis should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means."
Originally posted by LinkaliciousLink, I think its just common sense -
Saddam is a pretty damn smart guy.If Iraq actually did have WMD, then I wouldn't be surprised in the least that no one can find them.
I'm not one to say whether or not he had them, I'm just saying...if he didn't want anyone to find them....he could make it so they'd never be found.
If a country is being attacked and bombed (and has been done so for the past 13/14 years) and it had WoMD or any kinds of weapons, do you not think they would have used them?
Do you not think that if one country's cities and civilians are being bombed, they would use their so called WOMD to defend themselfs?
Why are they hiding them for? Danger? I think bombing and invading IS already a danger.
Originally posted by WindDancer
Yeah, I also remenber him saying this:"We are ready to sacrifice our souls, our children and our families so as not to give up Iraq."
And after the Bombing of the U.S.S Cole he clearly stated:
"Iraqis should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means."
Which doesnt really make my quote of Sadam look any worse. Im not glorifying that man - but he knew the deal.
Just like Osama Bin Laden said that if he wanted to attack a country for its freedom, he would have bombed Switzerland.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Link, I think its just common sense -If a country is being attacked and bombed (and has been done so for the past 13/14 years) and it had WoMD or any kinds of weapons, do you not think they would have used them?
Do you not think that if one country's cities and civilians are being bombed, they would use their so called WOMD to defend themselfs?
Why are they hiding them for? Danger? I think bombing and invading IS already a danger.
No, I most certainly don't think they would use them....and for a couple of reasons.
For one, if he had those weapons, he had no method of delivering them 1/2 way across the world to their intended target. Another reason would be because for every one WMD his country has, his opposition probably has 2,500 nukes to match him. Saddam drops his nuke, and he's out of them. The US retaliates with a nuke, and they still have 9,999 more they can drop.
And no, i don't think that they would use WMD to defend themselves because then they would tarnish their innocent image. Saddam has done a great job of painting the United States as the wrong do'ers in this war....why would he resort to WMD which would ultimately make the United States actions more acceptable.
Why are they hiding them? Because the whole world is looking for them, specifically the US, who would like nothing more than to tell the UN Security Council "We told you he had them"
You think they're in danger now? Could you imagine how the entire world would react if they found a cache of nuclear warheads?
Needless to say, I'd think the US's "coalition of the willing" would be significantly larger in number had there actually been weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
For one, if he had those weapons, he had no method of delivering them 1/2 way across the world to their intended target. Another reason would be because for every one WMD his country has, his opposition probably has 2,500 nukes to match him. Saddam drops his nuke, and he's out of them. The US retaliates with a nuke, and they still have 9,999 more they can drop.
I still think they would have dropped a nuke. They are fundamentalists - for them, self sacrifice would be an honour, suicide bombers. Besides, if Sadam really cared **** all about his people, then he would have made sure hes safe, and dropped a nuke anyway.
Again, only speculations, couldnt say for sure.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
And no, i don't think that they would use WMD to defend themselves because then they would tarnish their innocent image. Saddam has done a great job of painting the United States as the wrong do'ers in this war....why would he resort to WMD which would ultimately make the United States actions more acceptable.
''Garnish the innocent immage''
To whom?
Noone is supporting their troops, while Bush is invading. Noone can stop Bush (and noone is)
To whom are they trying to look innocent - to be honest, I dont think they give a rats ass what the west thinks. Even less so now, I think.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Why are they hiding them? Because the whole world is looking for them, specifically the US, who would like nothing more than to tell the UN Security Council "We told you he had them"
I think its only USA now that is looking for the WOMD. I believe the rest have already confirmed that there are none. (??)
Originally posted by Linkalicious
You think they're in danger now? Could you imagine how the entire world would react if they found a cache of nuclear warheads?
Those would be speculations, I cant really comment on.
One thing I know for sure is that America would have gotten an apology and had its image restored (and maybe Bush's image, dunno)
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Needless to say, I'd think the US's "coalition of the willing" would be significantly larger in number had there actually been weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Yes, I agree.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
''Garnish the innocent immage''To whom?
Noone is supporting their troops, while Bush is invading. Noone can stop Bush (and noone is)To whom are they trying to look innocent - to be honest, I dont think they give a rats ass what the west thinks. Even less so now, I think.
Tarnish their image....not garnish it. 😉
Saddam made a pretty clear attempt to show the world that Iraq wasn't doing anything wrong...and that they were attacked without ever producing a threat to the United States.
Using WMD on the United States would have only made the US's claims about Iraq being a threat to world peace more concrete.
I think its only USA now that is looking for the WOMD. I believe the rest have already confirmed that there are none. (??)
I don't even think they are looking for WMD any more, but that's just my opinion.
If Saddam used his weapons of mass destruction...the majority of the world would be against him. He had his work cut out for him with the US. Dropping bombs would only make his scenario worst.
One thing I know for sure is that America would have gotten an apology and had its image restored (and maybe Bush's image, dunno)
As an American....I can only dream. 🙁
And the reason why I bring up this situation in general is....Saddam is no idiot. The guy was literally found in a whole in the ground. You really can't pick a better hiding spot than that, while staying in the country.
Based on where he was found, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there's more hidden out in that desert than the rest of the world knows about.
Originally posted by ChickinMeat
may i ask what jingoism is?and i never said it was a problem, i just said i dont get it. at all.
Jingoism is extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy...Jingoistic is an adjective that perfectly describes both the majority of American people and the policies of their government.