2005 MLB Season

Originally posted by Mr Parker
The days of great players staying with the same team or even the second team they go to are clearly over with though.Just look at Pedro Martinez or Pudge Rodriguez.They won the world series,yet what do they do?they go and leave that team that won them a world series ring to play for another team. I lost my respect for Pudge Rodriguez when he left the world series champion Marlins to go and play for the detroit tigers,one of the worst teams in pro baseball.the days where you would find great players like George Brett and Cal Ripkin staying with the team that drafted them are clearly over now which sucks for kids growing up these days.they wont be able to get attached to a player like I was with George Brett with the royals because those days dont exist anymore unless you are a yankees fan where they have all the money in the world to satisfy that player.Players only play the game for the love of the money now not for the love of the game anymore.Look at Carlos Beltran,I would have had no problem with him and still would have liked him as a player if he had stayed with the astros after he left the royals because the royals are not committed to winning with their owner they have,but just as I predicted,he went and signed with the mets because he is greedy and selfish and only plays the game for the love of the money now that he has been spoiled playing in the big leagues now.I would still like pudge rodriguez if he had stayed with the marlins after leaving the texas rangers.I could not blame him since he won a world series with them but like all players today he is now just playing the game for the love of the money and not for the love of the game. the good old days of baseball when players only played the game for the love of the game instead of the love of the momey are gone forever.baseball sucks!!!!!! the owners and the players have ruined the game.

Sorry Parker. A few things/facts:

First Pudge. The Marlins didn't go too hard after him. You can't always blame the player, blame the administration. The Marlins specifically said numerous times that they had minor league players (at the time) that they thought would be a huge contribution starting in the 2005 season, and for many years after that. They didn't want to sign Pudge to a 1 or 2 year deal worth a crap load. It was a "hey, here's are 2 offers, if you don't like them, and can't come up with something remotely close to either of them, we will let you move on" sort of deal. Plus, talks of bringing Paul Lo Duca to the club had already started at the time. I know Pudge said he wanted to go to the Tigers to help them re-build with all of their young players, but I know many people don't believe that.

Now for Beltran. Did you know that the Astros offered him 2 years less than what the Mets signed him for, but for only 7 million cheaper? Now I'm not a great mathematician, but I'm pretty sure that he would have been making more money if he stayed in Houston. Roger Clemens was talking of retiring again. Jeff Kent was leaving. Talks of Pettitle being traded were brought up. The Mets signed Pedro Martinez. They have always looked like a club that is playoff bound (when on paper), but just can't put it all together. Although I don't like the Mets, if I was Beltran, I would have went there too.

Yes, I agree that many players in every sport only do stuff for the money. Yes, I agree that a lot of players leave teams for more money, and it's not always for the best. But there are the "good" players too.

One example, from this year: Chipper Jones is taking a rather large cut in pay for two reasons. The first was so that they could sign Tim Hudson to a long term deal. The second reason was so he could stay in Atlanta longer. Andruw Jones did the same thing, so that he could stay in Atlanta. Andruw actually did his halfway through last year, they re-constructed his contract.

Trust me, I hate that there are those out there doing it just for the money. I hate that players move around so much. But what are fans going to do? I am only 20 years old, but cannot play baseball anymore. I would do anything to be able to pitch again. I would PAY to pitch again. I love the sport, I love pitching. That's how some of us are. Others are money hungry. Nothing us fans can do about it. If there was, I'm sure we would have done it by now.

Free Agency is good. I agree with Smasandian, some teams would not have climbed out of their holes if it wasn't for that. People would be too worried about trading their prize players.

im too drunk to read ll that crap but i mean if a player wins a world series whats wrogn with going to a bad team to try and hel p- them win one? nothing but your mom is bad there! so i respect them more for leaving a winning unit to try and hel p mbuold a stronger team to win againg! so eyeA! you MOM!

Originally posted by Smasandian
Buddy, every major sport has these problems. Look at Emmitt Smith, Wayne Gretzky.
Your contridicting yourself through you whole entire post. Using Pudge and Beltran is contridicting yourself. You have no problems if they went to another team from the first team, the team that spent the money grooming the player in thier rookies years?
Its the same thing, not matter if they won a World Series.
Free Agency changed the game but you gotta live with that. If there wasnt free agency, some teams would have never gotten out of the bottom like the Marlins.

I never have followed hockey so Im not to familiar with the wayne Gretzky situation but as far as Emmit smith thats in a entirely different ballpark.The cowboys let him go and never attempted to resign him so I had no problem with him leaving the cowboys.Although he should have retired at that point since the team he went to the cardinals is an even worse team than the cowboys are. 😄 free agency ruined the game and baseball will always suck for me because baseball is beyond being able to be fixed now since it is clear free agency will always be there and they will never go back to the good old days of baseball when there was no free agency.and okay yeah I actually lost respect for beltran and pudge when they left the teams that drafted them.

its the same thing in Footballl.I used to watch that game religiously,never missed it on sundays,but free agency has ruined that game as well because the good old days when players would stay with one team their whole career are over with.that and also I got sick of all these teams like the rams,the colts and the cardinals moving to another city and deserting their fans.I will never understand why a law was not passed to make it illegal for a football franchise to move to another city.There should have been. 😠

Originally posted by Shaolin Monk
Sorry Parker. A few things/facts:

First Pudge. The Marlins didn't go too hard after him. You can't always blame the player, blame the administration. The Marlins specifically said numerous times that they had minor league players (at the time) that they thought would be a huge contribution starting in the 2005 season, and for many years after that. They didn't want to sign Pudge to a 1 or 2 year deal worth a crap load. It was a "hey, here's are 2 offers, if you don't like them, and can't come up with something remotely close to either of them, we will let you move on" sort of deal. Plus, talks of bringing Paul Lo Duca to the club had already started at the time. I know Pudge said he wanted to go to the Tigers to help them re-build with all of their young players, but I know many people don't believe that.

Now for Beltran. Did you know that the Astros offered him 2 years less than what the Mets signed him for, but for only 7 million cheaper? Now I'm not a great mathematician, but I'm pretty sure that he would have been making more money if he stayed in Houston. Roger Clemens was talking of retiring again. Jeff Kent was leaving. Talks of Pettitle being traded were brought up. The Mets signed Pedro Martinez. They have always looked like a club that is playoff bound (when on paper), but just can't put it all together. Although I don't like the Mets, if I was Beltran, I would have went there too.

Yes, I agree that many players in every sport only do stuff for the money. Yes, I agree that a lot of players leave teams for more money, and it's not always for the best. But there are the "good" players too.

One example, from this year: Chipper Jones is taking a rather large cut in pay for two reasons. The first was so that they could sign Tim Hudson to a long term deal. The second reason was so he could stay in Atlanta longer. Andruw Jones did the same thing, so that he could stay in Atlanta. Andruw actually did his halfway through last year, they re-constructed his contract.

Trust me, I hate that there are those out there doing it just for the money. I hate that players move around so much. But what are fans going to do? I am only 20 years old, but cannot play baseball anymore. I would do anything to be able to pitch again. I would PAY to pitch again. I love the sport, I love pitching. That's how some of us are. Others are money hungry. Nothing us fans can do about it. If there was, I'm sure we would have done it by now.

Free Agency is good. I agree with Smasandian, some teams would not have climbed out of their holes if it wasn't for that. People would be too worried about trading their prize players.

Well as I just said I actually really lost my respect for pudge for leaving the rangers.I could have tolerated him if he had stayed witht the marlins the rest of his career but yeah I really lost my respect for him for leaving the rangers.I was so much looking forward to seeing him play the rest of his career as a ranger like ripkin did with the orioles.I thought for sure he would be like ripken and finish his career with the rangers so it was really when he left the rangers that I lost my respect for him.

Your not making sense here about Beltran.According to what your saying,you said the astros offered him 7 million dollars less than what the mets offered but then said he would be making more money as an astro than what the mets offered? somethings wrong with this picture your painting 😕

and sorry free agency was the worst thing that ever happened to baseball.A team can build a world series winner without free agency. It just would have taken longer for the marlins than it did.The Toronto Blue Jays in 1990 won the world series with mostly players they drafted and the minnesota twins also won the world series in 87 with players they mostly drafted and developed. I want those days back and baseball will always suck for me as long as free agency remains which looks like it always will.same goes for football.

Dude,
Emmitt wanted to stay in Dallas. He left because of playing time and money. They would of resigned as a backup to teach kids how to run.

Also, your not great at math are you?
Hypothytical, Beltran gets offered by the Mets 5 years for 50 mil. Do the math and you get Beltran making 10 million a year.
Astros though offer Beltran 3 years for 43 mil (7 million less than Mets). Do the math and you got Beltran making 14.3 million a year. Thats a difference of 4.3 million dollars. In the end, he makes more money.

Also, the Blue Jays didnt win the series in 1990 but actually won 1992 and 1993. Also, the players they won it with were not actually drafted by the Blue Jays. Roberto Alomar, Joe Carter and Devon White were from trades. Dave Stewart, Jack Morris, Rickey Henderson (deadline trade), David Cone (deadline trade), Paul Molitar (intergral part of the 93 series) and Dave Wienfield (wouldnt of won the series if it wasnt for the double in the late innings at Turner Field in game 6) were all free agents.
So I go to my last point I made. Some teams actually benefit from free agency. I sure hope the Cowboys keep Roy Williams and Juluis Jones, so I can actually see them play, but im not going to hate the sport because of it due to the fact that the Cowboys will recieve somebody good in free agency to replace them.

the mariners bullpen is ruining the season already and i hate them for it

Originally posted by Mr. Parker
Your not making sense here about Beltran.According to what your saying,you said the astros offered him 7 million dollars less than what the mets offered but then said he would be making more money as an astro than what the mets offered? somethings wrong with this picture your painting

This is what I was painting, Smasandian hit the nail on the head:

Originally posted by Smasandian
Also, your not great at math are you?
Hypothytical, Beltran gets offered by the Mets 5 years for 50 mil. Do the math and you get Beltran making 10 million a year.
Astros though offer Beltran 3 years for 43 mil (7 million less than Mets). Do the math and you got Beltran making 14.3 million a year. Thats a difference of 4.3 million dollars. In the end, he makes more money.

In 5 years with the Astros he would have made more than in 5 years with the Mets Parker. That was the picture I painted 🙂

Anyone watch Brian Jordan hit that Grand Slam for the Braves today? They showed a highlight of him doing it a few years ago for the Braves, against the Mets, and then the next pitch he hit out. It was very ironic/funny.

Go Phillies. Rookie Gavin Floyd looked really good against the Cards. He went 7 innings and only gave up 1 run and 3 hits.

Originally posted by Shaolin Monk

Anyone watch Brian Jordan hit that Grand Slam for the Braves today? They showed a highlight of him doing it a few years ago for the Braves, against the Mets, and then the next pitch he hit out. It was very ironic/funny.

lol yea i was at work watching that thought it was really cool.. and then i was even happier to see Chipper go deep! because the braves are my 2nd favorite team.. (i used to live in north carolina and go to Durham bulls games, who are part of the braves farm system and i met chipper jones when he was a AAA no body)

wow Smoltz is back in a big way today.. through 6 hes got 14K's got each one of the mets atleast once.. and hes gotten 12 0-2 counts!

Originally posted by Smasandian
Dude,
Emmitt wanted to stay in Dallas. He left because of playing time and money. They would of resigned as a backup to teach kids how to run.

Also, your not great at math are you?
Hypothytical, Beltran gets offered by the Mets 5 years for 50 mil. Do the math and you get Beltran making 10 million a year.
Astros though offer Beltran 3 years for 43 mil (7 million less than Mets). Do the math and you got Beltran making 14.3 million a year. Thats a difference of 4.3 million dollars. In the end, he makes more money.

Also, the Blue Jays didnt win the series in 1990 but actually won 1992 and 1993. Also, the players they won it with were not actually drafted by the Blue Jays. Roberto Alomar, Joe Carter and Devon White were from trades. Dave Stewart, Jack Morris, Rickey Henderson (deadline trade), David Cone (deadline trade), Paul Molitar (intergral part of the 93 series) and Dave Wienfield (wouldnt of won the series if it wasnt for the double in the late innings at Turner Field in game 6) were all free agents.
So I go to my last point I made. Some teams actually benefit from free agency. I sure hope the Cowboys keep Roy Williams and Juluis Jones, so I can actually see them play, but im not going to hate the sport because of it due to the fact that the Cowboys will recieve somebody good in free agency to replace them.

thats what I was saying in the beginning is that I could not blame Emmit for leaving dallas because they were treating him so bad because like you said they wanted to diminish his role and make him a backup.Well even if Beltran was going to make more money as an astro than a met I STILL hate the guy for leaving the royals because I want the good old days back when players stayed with one team their whole career which never happens anymore.He left the royals because he knew he would make more money as an astro or with someone else. Okay yeah the blue jays won the world series in 92 rather and it was with players they traded for but they DID however win the american league east in 1985 and go to the american league championship game with players that they did develop from their farm system that year and those players that you said they won the world series with in 92 and 93 were like you said,came from trades and I got no problem with a team building a champion through trades,thats always been around from the invention of baseball.I just hate free agency in baseball and football is all.

what a tough way to lose

Smoltz gets 15 strikeouts, but gives up the homer to Carlos Beltran. Did anyone else think "hey, with first base open and Cliff Floyd up next, why not pitch around or intentionally walk Beltran"? Floyd had a Silver Sombrero, and Beltran is dangerous. I don't know why they didn't have a conference in the 8th about how to handle that situation. Who knows, with Beltran on first, and Floyd at the plate, that inning could have turned out much different.

True, they did win the American League Championship in 85 with homegrown players, but they still needed free agency to get the World Series two years in a row. But most of the players came through agency and not trades.

Originally posted by Shaolin Monk
what a tough way to lose

Smoltz gets 15 strikeouts, but gives up the homer to Carlos Beltran. Did anyone else think "hey, with first base open and Cliff Floyd up next, why not pitch around or intentionally walk Beltran"? Floyd had a Silver Sombrero, and Beltran is dangerous. I don't know why they didn't have a conference in the 8th about how to handle that situation. Who knows, with Beltran on first, and Floyd at the plate, that inning could have turned out much different.

yea but the wal smoltz was pitching i think you have to let him go after him.. and i dont know that taking smoltz out was the best idea ever.. not that it would have mattered since 2 runs were enough. But that really was a shame for him.. Although Pedro earned it more with i think 9 or 10 K's of his own and only 2 hits given up he did an amazing job..

and once again Seattle gets an early lead only to BLOW IT damn their bullpen! or well their entire pitching staff! they have been given a lot of run support and even early leads to work with! ahhh they piss me off so much

Originally posted by forumcrew
im too drunk to read ll that crap but i mean if a player wins a world series whats wrogn with going to a bad team to try and hel p- them win one? nothing but your mom is bad there! so i respect them more for leaving a winning unit to try and hel p mbuold a stronger team to win againg! so eyeA! you MOM!

Forumcrew needs to get drunk more often. His drunk posts are some of the funniest things I've seen on KMC. 😆

Harden looked good in his return. Right now he's the A's ace as I have no clue what Zito is going to do from start to start.

i know its uber early but this is just funny...

2005 American League East Standings:
TEAM................W.....L
(1)Toronto.........4.... 2
(2)Tampa Bay....3.....3
(3)Baltimore.......3......3
(4)Boston..........3......4
(5)NY Yankees...3......4

boy wont this be inverted in a month

Hey, dont discount the Blue Jays.
They will contend enough to provide a challenge. They have a decent, scrappy team this year.

yea but do you really think theres anyway boston and NY wont be 1 and 2?

There's no way they wont be.
But it could happen (im crossing my fingers).
2 years from now though, I can see the Blue Jays contend for a playoff spot if they're excellent young players improve to the point their suppose to be at and that the GM can actually use the extra 20-40 million dollars increased payroll.

i know its early but whos the biggest suprise to start the year so far?

I think Brian Roberts the O's 2nd basemen.. hes already hit 4 homeruns and hes hitting .414 behind only Ichiro in the AL although I think Ichiro's 0-4 today will drop that a lot., and his 4 HR leads the AL and is tied in the league.. granted its only 4 but he hit 5 all of last year.. hes stepping up in a big way