Two Doctrines of Devils: Celibacy and Abstinence

The old covenant comprises testimonies and prophecies regarding the second and the last covenants of God. That's why Jesus declared that we should keep up with the scriptures which include the books of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms (meaning apocryphas and deoterocanonicals are not included). However, regarding the new despensation in Christian era, the birth of Jesus is the birth of new priesthood. And there was change in the law. This law was imposed to the second covenant of God - the Christians. Because Israel apostatized. And a new law supersedes the law of Moses in the old covenant. But this doesn't necessarily mean to throw away the old covenant.

Then why did God write it in stone? Your church must also teach dispensations...You seem to be talking with that view...dispensations is not what was taught, that view is only a few hundred years old...very new...man made. The new covenant was not throwing anything out accept the animal sacrifices...The new covenant was Jesus blood covering sins instead of animals (temp. Covering.) That is what was nailed to the cross...Nothing in the commandments at all...

Again show me where it says that a law was chanaged. the 4th especially.

Okay, let's put it this way.

To whom did God really give the Ten Commandments? Weren't they exclusively imposed to Israel?

and Israel is ?

I have always wondered why there are many different denominations considering that they all use the same book for reference.

I also find those that profess catholicism as somewhat odd, because there are many traditions that they continue despite how dated they may seem and how belittling they may be.

Here are my questions:

Why aren't there any women pastors?
Why do they call the pastor father when Jesus directly said not to do this?
Why should a sinner confess their sins and ask forgiveness from another sinner?
Why is the pope considered holier than a member of the congregation. Aren't they both sinners?
Why force celibacy on anyone? Isn't that asking for secret release of pent up frustration?

Originally posted by Jury
Okay, let's put it this way.

To whom did God really give the Ten Commandments? Weren't they [b]exclusively imposed to Israel? [/B]

So you're a believer in the NT only.....Nothing else in the OT matters...?

Its the world with traditions and other factors,things that are simple are made so hard, but you have to do what is inside of you , regardless of tradition.

Originally posted by debbiejo
So you're a believer in the NT only.....Nothing else in the OT matters...?

yeah eye for an eye..................turn the other cheek

Originally posted by Jury
Okay, let's put it this way.

To whom did God really give the Ten Commandments? Weren't they [b]exclusively imposed to Israel? [/B]

Then why do you only follow 9 of them? You said you beieve in the OT and it wasn't just for the Jews.

A while back I stumbled onto a passage in Leviticus (an under-read and completely interesting, and somewhat insane, book of the Bible) that says in no uncertain terms that a priest should marry as long as he marries a virgin. Both sides have their arguments, but I honestly don't think the church has enough solid evidence that priests should remain celibate to enforce it so strictly. If they were to revoke this law, I'm sure the number of priests, and probably Catholics, would grow quite a bit.

-DM

Originally posted by debbiejo
Then why do you only follow 9 of them? You said you beieve in the OT and it wasn't just for the Jews.

Jesus spoke directly against judging people based on whether they followed tradition or not and condemned the pharisees for only following tradition so that men could see them do it and they would gain glory from men.

The coming of Jesus brought about a drastic change in the worlds traditions and the lovers of traditions HATED IT especially because Jesus was saying that ANYONE could be forgiven and worst of all for FREE!!

The lovers of tradition stood to lose both power and money. So they trumped up whatever and persecuted him.

The sabbath is a day of rest so rest. You have to go to work on the sabbath, go because you won't be relaxing when you've lost you're job for not showing up. You're going to do something that's similar to work every day even if your on vacation. Driving is a task.

What's the opposite of rest? Stress.

Let's not be like the pharisees and make mountains out of molehills. Some things HAVE changed since the old testament.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Then why do you only follow 9 of them? You said you beieve in the OT and it wasn't just for the Jews.

With new priesthood, there is new law... new commandments.
That's why during the Christian era... Sabbath is not mandatory anymore.

Originally posted by Jury
[b]1 Timothy 4:1-3
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,
that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy;
having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry,
and commanding to abstain from meats,
which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving
of them which believe and know the truth.

These two commandments can be found in the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. [/B]

This is a teaching from Paul..You're church doesn't acknowledge Pauls words.

Originally posted by debbiejo
This is a teaching from Paul..You're church doesn't acknowledge Pauls words.

Wasn't Paul a Catholic?

Realy he was a Gnostic.The church made him Catholic

Right Mr.smiley....and Gnostic's abstain from all bodily lust as I know you know....and Pauls teachings were seeming to be gnostic......So, Jury shouldn't be reading Paul at all....he should get the scissors and just cut those parts out.

Reasons like that are what confuse people on Christianity.Paul is made into something he wasn't,yet his orginal teaching still stands.It's kind of funny in a twisted way

Its incredible how this talk about biblic things can be boring, just the sight of those numbers Timothy 4:1, John 5:18 makes me feel sad 🙁

😂

pick a happy number....how about.....hmmmmmmmmm 2