Originally posted by jplatinum
I say it could go either way.
They have to get hit by the stingers first.
Daredevil is prettys agile and fast, but he can be hit more easliy.
Cap has more experience and is way smarter than that and fights defensively so he is gonna be tough,plus he is still capcble of rendering spiderman or clone unconscious with a barrage of hard punches in the right spot. Wolverine will not be effected by any thing other than brute physical force so they will have their hands full tagging him upside the head. If he gets a good swipe or two, its lights out permantly for both of them. Meanwhile Cap is still in this fight too. So spiderman and friend will have to go all out and might still lose.Maybe a draw, it could go either way.
I try to never be one sided on versu issues cause the under dog can sometimes still win.😎
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And Wolvie could be trapped by webbing, not that Spidey nor his clone would need it, they could end the fight with a power shot to Wolvie's skull at the expense of a broken hand, the result: Wolvie's out via KO.
Not to mention that even if it took awhile for this to happen, I doubt that he'd be able to land one swipe if Spidey fouight smart and put those reflexes of his to work. And of course, let's not forget Ben, he's got the strength, speed, agility, etc. needed to take out the peak humans while letting his more experienced partner handle the only guy out there possible of presenting a challenge ( I'm talking about Wolvie, by the way).
dude wolvie can "knock the hulk down" by himself. Spidey isn't immune to pressure points by cap, or getting tangled up by daredevil, or getting cut by wolvie. His spider sense is impressive sometimes,,,,but you blow it way out of proportion, He's been hit by peeps with street speed hundreds if not thousands of times. Any one of these guys would give spidey trouble on they're own. esp now that bats is on the feild, with tear gas, knock out gas, nets, grappling hooks, lil flame thrower dealies, and a vast array of other weapons and such in that belt, he's no pushover. He uses his homing device for his vehicles (and he doesn't have just one car, he has tons) this could potentially turn into two spideys vs. 4 super heroes and 10 to 20 batmobiles + the batwing. I could care less if hitting spidey is like hitting a brick wall to one character. Cap america knocked spidey on his arse, spider sense or no. and those stingers, couldn't take out brock after he was fatigued with a direct hit to the noggin how are they gonna work on cap, wolvie or bats,,,,,even if they do hit their targets, by some miracle.
You know what's funny.
I have read recently some comix like Infinity Wars, Avengers and some crossover comix and it's like the authors acknowledge that SM as good as he is has people on his level who could probably take him out.
I mean to sit there and say Bat's don't bring anything to a fight is insulting. I mean seriously!!!
To say Cap, DD AND LOGAN are not up to SM's caliber is just ridiculous.
You guys are getting offensive here. I hate those kinda threads.
I mean try to be real for a minute. I MEAN saying that SM might get his ass handed to him by these guys doesn't mean that you are being disloyal to the character. It shows that you understand the character and his limitations. I mean arguing these pointless debates really get to me!!
Originally posted by LordFear
You know what's funny.
I have read recently some comix like Infinity Wars, Avengers and some crossover comix and it's like the authors acknowledge that SM as good as he is has people on his level who could probably take him out.
I mean to sit there and say Bat's don't bring anything to a fight is insulting. I mean seriously!!!
To say Cap, DD AND LOGAN are not up to SM's caliber is just ridiculous.
You guys are getting offensive here. I hate those kinda threads.
I mean try to be real for a minute. I MEAN saying that SM might get his ass handed to him by these guys doesn't mean that you are being disloyal to the character. It shows that you understand the character and his limitations. I mean arguing these pointless debates really get to me!!
What I can't seem to understand about the fans of those comic book characters that have martial arts training and peak human conditioning is how they automatically expect for them to have some sort of edge over Spidey. I can pretty much say with GREAT confidence in the statement that no amount of prep time or special tactics can quite match pre cognition or being aware of something about to happen BEFORE it happens.
I say that Cap, DD, and Logan are not up to Spidey's calibur because of A) the popularity of Spidey's character in the general media (those who do not read comics) and B) physically they just DO NOT stack up.
Let's take it to the stats starting with Spidey/Cap:
Spidey-SUPERHUMAN
Cap-PEAK human
Abilites:
Spidey-superhuman strength, speed, agility, equilibrium, reflexes, durability, endurance, leaping ability, pre-cog, and adherence to most surfaces, not to mention gifted level intelligence and the adrenaline Spidey often uses in a rage to pull out his TRUE Spider strength waaaayyy above the traditional ten ton marking
Cap-peak human strength, above Olympian-level speed, agility, leaping ability, endurance, tactician skills, and, um, that's about it
Experience:
Spidey-40+years
Cap-60+years
Final score:
Spidey-2
Cap-1 (on account of experience)
There's no need for a final analysis here....unless you request one.
Time to compare the stats of Spidey/Wolvie:
Spidey-SUPERHUMAN
Wolvie-MUTANT (though he is conditioned at the level of a peak human)
Abilities:
Spidey-SUPERHUMAN strength, speed, agility, equilibrium, durability, leaping ability, reflexes, endurance, pre-cog, and adherence to most surfaces, not to mention gifted level intelligence and the adrenaline Spidey uses to pull out his TRUE Spider strength waaayy above the traditional ten ton marking
Wolvie-PEAK human strength, Olympian level speed or above, Olympian level agility, superhuman endurance, an accelerated healing factor, and claws
Experience:
Spidey-40+years
Wolvie-30+years
Final score:
Spidey-3
Wolvie-0
Hey, you can try and pull up something to give Wolvie a chance of scoring. But an accelerated healing factor can't protect you from a punch chock full of concussion force, not to mention that when your brain is getting knocked around against the front and back ends of an adamantium layered skull that you're nowhere near guaranteed to still be standing and hanging onto conciousness without natural superhuman type durability, which Wolvie does not have (Note that I did say natural durability without the assist of a healing factor).
Time to compare the stats of Spidey/DD:
Spidey-SUPERHUMAN
DD-PEAK human
Abilites:
Spidey-SUPERHUMAN strength, speed, agility, durability, equilibrium, leaping ability, reflexes, endurance, pre-cog, and adherence to most surafaces, not to mention gifted level intelligence and the adrenaline Spidey uses to pull out his TRUE Spider strength waaayy above the traditional ten ton marking
DD-PEAK human strength, Olympian level speed, agility, endurance, leaping ability, and superhuman senses
Experience:
Spidey-40+years
DD-30+years
Final score:
Spidey-3
DD-0
DD's senses only allow DD to hear an occurance or attack exceptionally above the level of that of a human, he can't sense it happening beforehand as Spidey could. Not to mention that senses can't assist reflexes, and the sound of an attack giving off a radar just allows him to make out an oncoming attack, it just allows him to see it. And seeing that Spidey dominates the guy much more than twenty times over whether the battle goes aerial or on the ground his senses won't allow to dodge much less block most if not some of Spidey's speed attacks, maybe less. And let's just not to get into the details of what would happen once a powershot connected courtesy of Spidey to pretty much any part of DD.
what strawnilla doesn't want to acknowledge are some other stats
Spiderman /captain america-the cap put spidey on his ass with ease, and on top of that wasn't even really impressed with spidey in the least.
spiderman/dare devil- DD has put up more than a few decent bouts against spidey on hiw own.
spiderman/ wolverine- wolverine scared spidey and spiderman gave wolverine everything he had, while wolverine was still holding back,even then, wolverine stalemated him
spiderman/batman- batman has beaten carnage on his own, something spidey has yet to accomplish.
People don't wanna acknowledge that jinzin. They believe that SM and co could mop the floor with practically anybody because he is SM.
Let me tell you something about the sixth sense deal. It's not all it's cracked up to be and SM can still get his ass handed to him regardless. Again people his sense doesn't forwarn him b4 the battle as to what's gonna happen. It tells him that seconds,Seconds before the event occurs. How SM reacts to that danger alert is based on his condition at the time of the danger. Stop thinking that because he has spidey senses it can guide him through a COMBINED ATTACK of DD, Logan and Cap, that's senseless. These guys are not pushovers and add Bat's to the equation, you gotta be joking. Bat's on his own has done way too much for people to sleep on his skills and as well as the others.
This isn't a cosmic entity that we are talking about here. It's SM and he is very human!!!
Originally posted by jinzin
what strawnilla doesn't want to acknowledge are some other statsSpiderman /captain america-the cap put spidey on his ass with ease, and on top of that wasn't even really impressed with spidey in the least.
spiderman/dare devil- DD has put up more than a few decent bouts against spidey on hiw own.
spiderman/ wolverine- wolverine scared spidey and spiderman gave wolverine everything he had, while wolverine was still holding back,even then, wolverine stalemated him
spiderman/batman- batman has beaten carnage on his own, something spidey has yet to accomplish.
And please stop posting my name, I mean, why not try actually replying to my post first?
I know the facts, I don't need a couple of obvious misinterpretations of Spidey's power when compared to these guys (both physically and mentally judging by how Spidey is just standing in one spot and allowing these guys to tag him) to tell me otherwise. If you're not going to listen to reason then I'm through with this, try mailing your next post if you want another reply out of me.
Originally posted by LordFear
People don't wanna acknowledge that jinzin. They believe that SM and co could mop the floor with practically anybody because he is SM.
Let me tell you something about the sixth sense deal. It's not all it's cracked up to be and SM can still get his ass handed to him regardless. Again people his sense doesn't forwarn him b4 the battle as to what's gonna happen. It tells him that seconds,Seconds before the event occurs. How SM reacts to that danger alert is based on his condition at the time of the danger. Stop thinking that because he has spidey senses it can guide him through a COMBINED ATTACK of DD, Logan and Cap, that's senseless. These guys are not pushovers and add Bat's to the equation, you gotta be joking. Bat's on his own has done way too much for people to sleep on his skills and as well as the others.
This isn't a cosmic entity that we are talking about here. It's SM and he is very human!!!
Spidey isn't very human, heck, I'd say it's debatable now whether he's even half-human anymore thanks to the recent additions to his laundry list of powers such: a strength upgrade, the ability to telepathically communicate with insects, and organic webbing. No, to say that someone like Spidey is very human is a sad show of judgement.
But, hey, maybe it's not impossible, I suppose we can all adhere to most surfaces, demolish buildings with our bare hands, still feel okay after being thrown through a brick wall and denting steel when thrown into it, sense oncoming attacks before they come, leap over multiple building stories and so on.....man, the things some people will say to bring a guy like Spidey physically down to Cap's, DD's, Wolvie's, and Batman's level.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
Spidey is waayyy faster than the opposed and could easily leap over the heads of DD, Logan, and Cap even as they try and execute a combined attack.Spidey isn't very human, heck, I'd say it's debatable now whether he's even half-human anymore thanks to the recent additions to his laundry list of powers such: a strength upgrade, the ability to telepathically communicate with insects, and organic webbing. No, to say that someone like Spidey is very human is a sad show of judgement.
But, hey, maybe it's not impossible, I suppose we can all adhere to most surfaces, demolish buildings with our bare hands, still feel okay after being thrown through a brick wall and denting steel when thrown into it, sense oncoming attacks before they come, leap over multiple building stories and so on.....man, the things some people will say to bring a guy like Spidey physically down to Cap's, DD's, Wolvie's, and Batman's level.
woah, i'm rooting for spidey too... but when did he get organic webbing and the bug-talk???