All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

well i watched both SW and ST. and wtf is that shit with q and anakin?!?!
u guys brought it all to one person on each side, and there are millions of jedi and equal number of sith. so there really is no way that ST would win, even with Q cuz he was fooled by picard, so thats pretty lame.
P.S. i aint from usa i just dont like ST, and at least in US they drive on the right side.
P.S.S. Yes, Natalie Portman, Samuel L Jackson and Harrison Ford are really the worst actors. who cares about the oscars.(for some stupid ppl who didnt understand, this was sarcasem)

darthdumbledore is just angry because hes not american, and his country sucks, and we probably smited them at one point or another!! grow a weiner, and go lose in a war or sumthing, u sack head.

Wow, I missed this?

Alright, a few things.... Since I used to watch Star Trek back when I was a small child and knew no better, I can argue this better than most of my pro-SW peers.

Q is not omnipotent. There is no such thing. Q could not make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it. He could not will himself ultimate knowledge of the universe. He could not double check to make sure Picard wasn't making a fool of himself. No Q has ever brought back the dead. They can't. Q could also not stop his peers from stripping him of his power and making him in essence human.

As for Q being divine, that is a sad sad viewpoint there. Divinity comes from being of god, not being like god. And I mean god in the very general sense. This is something Socrates argued millenia ago, and I think he's closer to the answer than some Trekkie, for sure. If you have the time to pry yourself from your mother's basement and your ST DVD collection, pick up a copy of The Republic and perhaps you might learn something. Obviously, coming from the country that spawned the language, you didn't learn how to properly type English. I find that amusing. You shame your countrymen with your ignorance and poor typing skills.

Lastly, screw the prophecy and Anakin... Smugglers in a few Corellian freighters could eliminate any Star Trek ship. About the only ones who could even hope to contest would be the Romulans with their cloaking devices and perchant for being sneaky bastards, but even then they couldn't contend with a bunch of nimble and heavily armed ships. And the specifics of both ships from both universes has been shown elsewhere. Statistically, SW wins.

blah blah, yada yada.....we can all argue all day,but!.....remember, hes always watching!!!

*Shuffles geek cards* I counter attack. Tap manna and all that...

Here comes the ultimate evil...

i see ur ugly ass baby, and raise you thiS!

Curse you... Fine. I play the baby AND this!

i guess you leave me no choice!

Take this!

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Wow, I missed this?

Alright, a few things.... Since I used to watch Star Trek back when I was a small child and knew no better, I can argue this better than most of my pro-SW peers.

Q is not omnipotent. There is no such thing. Q could not make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it. He could not will himself ultimate knowledge of the universe. He could not double check to make sure Picard wasn't making a fool of himself. No Q has ever brought back the dead. They can't. Q could also not stop his peers from stripping him of his power and making him in essence human.

As for Q being divine, that is a sad sad viewpoint there. Divinity comes from being of god, not being like god. And I mean god in the very general sense. This is something Socrates argued millenia ago, and I think he's closer to the answer than some Trekkie, for sure. If you have the time to pry yourself from your mother's basement and your ST DVD collection, pick up a copy of The Republic and perhaps you might learn something. Obviously, coming from the country that spawned the language, you didn't learn how to properly type English. I find that amusing. You shame your countrymen with your ignorance and poor typing skills.

Lastly, screw the prophecy and Anakin... Smugglers in a few Corellian freighters could eliminate any Star Trek ship. About the only ones who could even hope to contest would be the Romulans with their cloaking devices and perchant for being sneaky bastards, but even then they couldn't contend with a bunch of nimble and heavily armed ships. And the specifics of both ships from both universes has been shown elsewhere. Statistically, SW wins.

First of all...

When Q gave Riker the power of the Q Riker resurrected from the dead several crew members of the Enetrprise... and that was Riker...

There were several Q to strip him of his power, not just one...

As for Q being divine, that is a sad sad viewpoint there. Divinity comes from being of god, not being like god. And I mean god in the very general sense. This is something Socrates argued millenia ago, and I think he's closer to the answer than some Trekkie, for sure. If you have the time to pry yourself from your mother's basement and your ST DVD collection, pick up a copy of The Republic and perhaps you might learn something. Obviously, coming from the country that spawned the language, you didn't learn how to properly type English. I find that amusing. You shame your countrymen with your ignorance and poor typing skills.

is this directed at me?

Lastly, screw the prophecy and Anakin... Smugglers in a few Corellian freighters could eliminate any Star Trek ship. About the only ones who could even hope to contest would be the Romulans with their cloaking devices and perchant for being sneaky bastards, but even then they couldn't contend with a bunch of nimble and heavily armed ships. And the specifics of both ships from both universes has been shown elsewhere. Statistically, SW wins.

I don't agree...

Star Wars ships use lasers, just larger versions of their handheld weapons (star trek does the same but they have phasers, which are more advanced), they barely use torpedoes...

Star Trek weapons are easily more advanced... Phasers and Photon Torpedoes (Never mind quantum torpedoes) have destroyed the surface of planets in minutes...

Adding shields that can withstand massive amounts of heavy weapons fire...

In ESB a star destroyer gets wrecked when an asteroid hits it, in Star Trek the ships would easily bypass such things by shooting them or using their deflector array...

Star Trek ships are just as nimble as any Star Wars ships, they even have small fighters... and the larger ships like the enterprise have advanced targeting systems that will hit pretty much anything that it needs to no matter how nimble it is...

Alright... If I missed an episode where the power of a Q entity has brought back the dead, then I take back that part of my argument. But the point remains that Q are not omnipotent, and their abilities must overide the will of the Force, which is basically a subtle current of all life in the galaxies that directs fate itself.

Secondly, I only directed the idea of Q being divine at you, I think. I could be wrong, but didn't you say Q was a divine being? If not, then disregard it.

And last, I haven't seen much that will convince me that St ships are better in fights than SW ships. For one thing, SW ships are manned usually by one pilot, unless they are larger capitol ships, and even though those are manned by enormous crews, they seem to react much better and much faster than the Enterprise does, unless the whole senior crew runs to the battle bridge and gets out the eighties joystick. I have not seen anything that shows me phasers are more powerful than blasters, especially since they are such passive weapons when you think about it. Hitting someone with a blaster is akin to aiming a rifle or pistol and firing. Hitting someone with a phaser is like tasering them, and a phaser rifle is like a supersoaker for all its pizzazz. ST isn't combat oriented, and the technology of the Federation reflects this. Also keep in mind that the SW galaxies are filled with wars, strife, and the underbelly of society everywhere you look. ST is all clean and most everyone likes one another in the Federation... such a passive show where the emphasis is on exploration, not domination.

And lastly, manpower and resources. There are thousands and thousands of galaxies and such in SW series. Thousands. Imagine each system had two inhabitable planets. Now imagine each inhabitable planet had five working star fighters. Not even capital ships, just star fighters. Now take that collosal number and pin it up against the Federation and the other stragglers. It's overkill.

pr1983, I thought I already kicked you ass on millennium falcon vs. the enterprise, but whatever i will do it again.

Sublight acceleration: 2500G for a ISD.
Sublight acceleration: 1000G for enterprise-d

an ISD has 2.5 times the acceleration of a ship half of its mass. wow, engines over five times and an ISD has a lesser percenage of mass devoted to its engines.

Star Wars:
Planetary destruction: Death Star blast (roughly 20 billion trillion megatons, ie- the number "two" followed by 22 zeroes). Planet blown apart at 5% of the speed of light. Even if we assume the shot was time-lapse photography (not that there's any reason to), the absolute lower limit is roughly 50 quadrillion megatons. Note that even if you scale this monster down by a factor of 10 million (to the volume of a Star Destroyer), you'd still have 5 billion megatons. More than a match for poor Enterprise.

Star Trek:
Planetary destruction: 30-ship bombardment in "The Die is Cast" (surface-level explosions create fireballs in the megaton range at most, judging from fireball duration). No sub-orbital ejecta launched from planet's surface at all. Trekkies attempt to ignore weak-kneed appearance of attack and focus on semantics in order to exaggerate the figure.

Star Wars:
Asteroid destruction: Jango Fett's seismic charges destroy asteroids in a radius of 5-10 km in AOTC.

Star Trek:
Asteroid destruction: according to Riker, it would take the entire photon torpedo payload to destroy a single 5km wide hollow asteroid in "Pegasus". In other words, it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise-D (a capital warship with a crew of a thousand) to equal just one of Jango Fett's seismic charges (a bounty hunter's weapon).

Star Wars:
Combat range: in ROTJ, combat initially occurs at ranges of a few thousands kilometres, eventually closing to a few hundred kilometres ("point blank" according to Lando) until Rebel ships are within a few dozen kilometres of the Executor.

Star Trek:Combat range: fleet actions in DS9 uniformly feature engagements at ranges of 5 km or less, just as they do in TNG's Klingon wars or Borg engagements. In "The Die is Cast", Sisko actually orders the Defiant to approach to 500 metres (while taking fire) before shooting at a Jem'Hadar attack ship, presumably due to some disadvantage incurred at longer range. The only long-ranged incidents involve stationary or near-stationary targets.

Star Wars:
Speed: travel from galactic core systems to outer rim systems ("halfway across the galaxy" as Amidala put it) is shown repeatedly in ANH, TPM, and AOTC. It is invariably same-day traffic, typically a few hours.

Star Trek:
Speed: Voyager took 7 years to crawl across part of one quadrant of the galaxy, even with repeated assists from alien races, stolen technology, and even the occasional shove from a godlike being. Not hours ... years.

The Technobabblator

Star Wars:
"Your father's lightsabre. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster ... an elegant weapon, for a more civilized age."

Star Trek:
"Your father's fixed-length energy beam projection device. Devices like this were considered the primary close-quarters combat weapon of the Jedi Knights. This particular type of weapon requires a great deal of skill to operate, but its operating characteristics are weighted heavily toward high accuracy and repeatability. This type of weapon was well suited to the social and economic conditions prevalent in the ancient era in which it was popularized."

Star Wars:
"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

Star Trek:
"You should be careful to refrain from excessively optimistic tactical projections based on the operating parameters and characteristics of this battle station. There is a distinct possibility that the energy requirements for the destruction of an inhabitable planetoid may be significantly lower than the quantities of energy that can theoretically be yielded by tapping into the energy fields generated by living organisms."

Star Wars:
"Travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations you'd fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova, and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"

Star Trek:
There are significant differences in operating parameters between the process of engaging a hyperdrive propulsion system for a jump to superluminal speed, and the process of using aircraft to aerially distribute pesticides over agricultural territory. If you do not perform percise computations prior to the hyperspace jump, it is likely that your flight path will come within close proximity to dangerous celestial phenomena, such as a star or supernova. There is a high probability that a collision or close-proximity encounter with such a dangerous phenomenon would result in the premature termination of your journey."

Star Wars:
"That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookies are known to do that."

Star Trek:
"It is exceedingly rare for people to be overly concerned with the threat of violent retribution from an android, after defeating them in a recreational game of strategy. This is due to the fact that there are no known incidents on record in which androids have forcibly dismembered their opponents following a defeat in such a recreational game. However, it is a matter of historical fact that the species known as wookies has a distinct tendency to react to strategy game losses in just such a manner."

o man, the ****** is back.....well seeing as how i already MANHANDLED this kid verballly...and got people to back me up in it...ill let u guys take a stab at it, cuz i dont think he really wants to get me goin again. SMITE! 💃

http://alf.disim.com/photos/album/alf/alf12.jpg

my bad, i meant for this to appear.

For those interested:

Enterprise E specs:

Length: 685 meters
Width: 224 meters
Height: 88 meters
Weight: 3,255,000 metric tons
Cargo capacity: 58,299 metric tons

Hull: Duranium-tritanium composite with micro-fiber reinforced ablative armor.
Number of Decks: 24 total, 22 habitable.

Standard - 14 Type XII phasers, 5 torpedo launchers

Source: http://techspecs.acalltoduty.com/sovereign.html

Imperial Star Destroyer specs:

VESSEL TYPE:
Imperial Star Destroyer
DESIGNER/MANUFACTURER:
Kuat Drive Yards
COMBAT DESIGNATION:
Capital Ship
STARFIGHTER SQUADRONS:
72 TIE starfighters (exact composition varies)
SUPPORT CRAFT:
8 Lambda-Class Shuttles
15 stormtrooper transports
5 Assault Gunboats
Variable number of Skipray Blastboats and Gamma-Class Shuttles
PLANETARY ASSAULT SUPPLIES:
20 AT-AT Walkers
30 AT-ST Walkers
9700 ground troops
PROPULSION SYSTEMS:
Three Kuat Drive Yards Destroyer-1 Ion Engines
Four Cygnus Spaceworks Gemon-4 IonEngines
WEAPONS (STANDARD):
60 Turbolasers
60 Ion cannons

Source: http://wso.williams.edu/~rfoxwell/starwars/ships/ISD.htm

And I don't care how much Starfleet brags about their shield technology, once your hull gets pockmarked by the ISD's Ion Cannons, there's not enough red-shirt ensigns to protect you from a massive boarding party of stormtroopers, and pray that this particular vessel doesn't have a certain Sith Lord awaiting to drop in with a cold six-pack of Whup-@$$ on your crew.

Amen, brutha.

I think the best point I've seen yet is, any Star Trek weapon that any characters on the enterprise were wielding would never compare to a Jedi and his lightsaber.

also, to any trekkies that may still be waiting, the Imperial Star Destroyer is a destroyer, not a battleship or battlecrusier. A light capital ship. They have ships over eleven times bigger than an Imperial Star Destroyer. Add that to the fact that there are over 25000 Star Destroyers in service at the height of the Empire, it is obvious the only thing for the Trekkies is oblivion.