Originally posted by janus77
nah, Surfer most definitely could kill Flash in a ... flash.
the speed is in Surfer's favour, if anything. and it would literally be an instant win as Flash is hardly Superman durable.Superman would just be run-through at 1000s x C speeds by a Kryptonite Surfer or be encased in a field of radiation matching K.
Surfer's definitely got the skills, speed and power to do it.
surfer and thor would never get a majority over the jla and if they get a win they would struggle to do it. My arguments wasnt that surfer or thor beating the league, I just wanted examples of people putting such characters on the league at scales that they are not at. Youre statement janus 😆 .
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman and WW alone beats these two.
Superman beats SS due to combat speed and WW beats Thor due to combat speed coupled with the lasso or tiara.
Silver surfer solos superman and wonderwoman. Since silver surfer is lightyears more faster then both put together (flight speed), he uses his cosmic awareness and since superman weakness and turn his clothing into kryptonite and he find out that wonderwoman only defense is her bracelets and her body isnt invulnerable and cosmic blast the hell out of her until she falls uncouncious.
Now let me guess, youre going to say that silver surfer blast wont hurt her, well if youre saying that I guess youre also saying that a probe of imperex possess more power then silver surfer since a probe did almost kill her.
Or we can do it like this, Thor vs superman and wonderwoman vs silver surfer. Since superman is the fastest out of the two he lands the 1st lick and might land the second but since he has been hit his ENTIRE career by people far less then thor in speed and thor has a HUGE advantage in combat experience, thor gets a well placed hit across superman head WITH A MAGICAL HAMMER, then while superman is stun, he either A). Take superman soul or B) goes astral form and rip superman brains from the inside out or C). Rip superman of his power or D). Just over power superman since his versatility is >>>>>>> superman. Wonderwoman vs silver surfer, dont even have to bring that fight up.
Originally posted by carver9
Silver surfer solos superman and wonderwoman. Since silver surfer is lightyears more faster then both put together (flight speed), he uses his cosmic awareness and since superman weakness and turn his clothing into kryptonite and he find out that wonderwoman only defense is her bracelets and her body isnt invulnerable and cosmic blast the hell out of her until she falls uncouncious.Now let me guess, youre going to say that silver surfer blast wont hurt her, well if youre saying that I guess youre also saying that a probe of imperex possess more power then silver surfer since a probe did almost kill her.
Or we can do it like this, Thor vs superman and wonderwoman vs silver surfer. Since superman is the fastest out of the two he lands the 1st lick and might land the second but since he has been hit his ENTIRE career by people far less then thor in speed and thor has a HUGE advantage in combat experience, thor gets a well placed hit across superman head WITH A MAGICAL HAMMER, then while superman is stun, he either A). Take superman soul or B) goes astral form and rip superman brains from the inside out or C). Rip superman of his power or D). Just over power superman since his versatility is >>>>>>> superman. Wonderwoman vs silver surfer, dont even have to bring that fight up.
Superman can instantly obtain speeds that SS can't react to.
Thus he hits SS first which leads to a combo to ko. Flight speed alone doesn't define Combat Speed.
WW is faster that Thor (this is not debatable). She either lassos him easily or cuts him good with the tiara.
Originally posted by h1a8yyyeah right
Superman can instantly obtain speeds that SS can't react to.
Thus he hits SS first which leads to a combo to ko. Flight speed alone doesn't define Combat Speed.
WW is faster that Thor (this is not debatable). She either lassos him easily or cuts him good with the tiara.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
No way in hell are these two gonna take the JLA. Too many guys to handle. Superman could take Thor while the rest handle Norrin. Sh!t GL Hal could take Surfer by himself. Kyle is no match for Surfer but if Hal is on the team no biggie. Flash, WW, Manhunter & Batman dont even need to intervene in this one.
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Hal taking out SS... 🤣
In this argument if we put away sentiment for particular characters and groups and simply analyze this fight based on the powers of the characters it is clear that thor and surfer have a good chance of winning and the key is the surfer. On the entire JLA roster presented their are only two real threats (Gls) and one possible but minor threat (MM). Note that the surfer i am describing is one that is not afraid to use his powers to their full potential( sort of like the superman commonly used on this forum) so pls no arguments bringing up situations where the surfer forgot half of his powers should be used. Also arguments that the JLA have defeated more powerful characters than the surfer without taking into consideration the actual events plot twists and circumstances in those fights should also not be used as they are myopic just plain stupid.
The two main factors that will determine whther the surfer and thor can pull this out are
1. Does the team have enough powers
2. How fast can they get the job done
n this argument if we put away sentiment for particular characters and groups and simply analyze this fight based on the powers of the characters it is clear that thor and surfer have a good chance of winning and the key is the surfer. On the entire JLA roster presented their are only two real threats (Gls) and one possible but minor threat (MM). Note that the surfer i am describing is one that is not afraid to use his powers to their full potential( sort of like the superman commonly used on this forum) so pls no arguments bringing up situations where the surfer forgot half of his powers should be used. Also arguments that the JLA have defeated more powerful characters than the surfer without taking into consideration the actual events plot twists and circumstances in those fights should also not be used as they are myopic just plain stupid.
The two main factors that will determine whther the surfer and thor can pull this out are
1. Does the team have enough powers
2. How fast can they get the job done
In reply to question one the answer is yes, the surfer alone has enough powers to finish off majority of the above mentioned justice league save the two gls. Superman WW, Batman and flash really are non factors in this fight as the surfer could take all of them out in quick succession in multiple ways. Superman has no chance in hell as surfer could screw with his energies really easily. Wonderwoman would be encased in ethel energy(the same material as his board) and would be done for. The flash and batman are completely helpless. I read somwhere something about the flashes IMP punch doing damage to the surfer. Lets imagine the surfer hitting the flash at light speed. Actually the flash can never get through the surfers force fields no matter what he does. Plus the surfer has sub molecular control. He could on a whim wreck both the flash and batmans molecular structure threby eliminating dem from d fight.
MM is a bit trickier as he is a great telepath but the surfer could KO him with a powerful enough hit(He has koed the hulk) from his board or one of my favourites trap him inside the board
In reply to the second question, how fast can surfer eliminate the other characters aside the gls, he can do it pretty quickly considering that he is far faster than every character here except maybe the flash. Considering that this surfer i am talking about is fighting to his full potential he certainly is not going to dilly dally and allow people much slower dan him to hit im( i.e thing, hulk)
He will display the speed that allowed him to fly to almost every capital city in the world and ATTACK simultaneously all in a matter of seconds threby displaying fantastic non straight line speed and manoeuverability and even hit a being that telports in before he landed during battle. I also read somwhere hear dat superman can move thousands or even millions of time the speed of light. Even if this is true the surfer moves on a different level of speed and is still much faster than superman( 500000 light ears in seconds), searched the entire 616 Universe in seconds) If the surfer fights at the speed which admittedly
he rarely has but( which is mostly due to the lack of need to) but certainly can then he certainly can eliminate majority of this team pretty quickly and have time to assist thor who would be fighting the two gls ( of course he cant win) but will at least be able to hold on until SS comes to provide assistance.
Now this is d final stage of d fight and it will be 2 on two thor and ss vs the two gls. SS is greater than any gl as he has
1. a greater power source
2. Has d slight edge in amount of powers
3. Can last longer without his power short circuiting or running out bcs of over usage or as i have recently heard running out of time
4. Is physically on par with superman and is faster than the gls
Thor IMO is on par with a gl powerwise but can certainly take out kyle(over 5000 years of experience compared to kyle an inexperienced gl) while the surfer takes out hal, However this part of the fight is going to be a cataclysmic battle and thor and surfer winning depends on how fast the surfer rips through the other memebers of the league.
The gls could howver attempt to protect the other memebers of their team but that would distract them from the main fight and leave dem open to attack.
All of the above descriptions of the surfer are while he is going all out ( no jobbing or PIS or CIS ) so pls no counter arguments bringing up
the showings that he did not use his powers to the fullest as they would be utterly absurd i.e armbar from black panther
Thor and surfer may or may not take the majority (IMO they will) but they certainly can take a few fights as the surfer is leaps and bounds ahead of most if not all the JLA members powerwise.