Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It could quite possibly be that those kids would of beaten those girls up no matter what ethnicity they were and were just shouting that jazz because they got caught up in the moment.
No, if the girls were black, they wouldn't have tried to punk them off the court in the first place.
Its because people are so afraid to hurt a black persons feelings and to point anything out to them that is blatantly racist. You can only be racist if your white it seems.
People should have the same standards. If you have a white doing a certain crime and call it a hate crime it should also be applied to a black person.
If you want to be equal then be equal. You want even weights not weights that are tipped to someones side according to the color of their skin.
This is sick and its funny to see how this has gotten zero press. If it was 4 black girls and a mob of racist white guys this would be all over the news.
I want to move to another country, its getting to be a count against you to be white in this country called America.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
But if you beat the black guy up just because you like to fight and take things too far, it's not racial.It could quite possibly be that those kids would of beaten those girls up no matter what ethnicity they were and were just shouting that jazz because they got caught up in the moment.
That's not my point. If I beat up the black guy just because I like to fight, then there's no point to my statement. I kicked the shit out of him on a different level because he was black, and I don't like black people. It wasn't just beacause he stole my wallet or "I like to fight".
Jazz is an interesting term for racial slurs. Not one I ever considered. Jazz being "black" music and all.
The truth of the matter is that these guys did get "caught up in the moment", but that didn't stop them from being racist. Sure, I can make all the jokes about rape that I want, but these guys would have acted differently if it had been four black girls...or at least SPOKEN differently...given that they were not racist, right? At the very least they carried a grudge against the white man. There is an overwheling sentiment among black people that the white man is keeping them down. But what I don't understand is why they (they, being the black culture) thinks that the white family across the street is getting more than they are? Or has a better chance of succeeding than they do? It's bullshit. The white trash family has just as many chances to get ahead as the black trash family. The only problem is that neither makes an effort.
And the bottom line here is the gang mentality that they got caught up in; but! also the fact that it did go to a racial place. Which, of course, was my original point: Black people are just as guilty of racism as white people. The past is the past, no need to get caught up in it. Move on, and learn from your mistakes. Everybodys mistakes, not just one races'. I hardly doubt that these white chicks had anything to do with the enslavement of the black guys ancestors. But the black guys took it there, didn't they? We're all living the same shit lives. There are white people on social security too. There are white mothers paying for government cheese with food stamps, just like there are black mothers. These black guys may not have hated these specific white girls, but their resentment of the white race can't be denied. They said as much themselves. If they wanna blame the white man for their problems, then they're blaming all white men, not just the ones who make macaronni and cheese out of velvetta(just like they do). Besides, odds are that any one of those black guys can get more money to go to school than any one of those white girls! If you wanna talk about equality, then we're speaking two different languages.
Originally posted by Capt_FantasticEh... I was using "jazz" as in slang for nonsense. Because I know too many meanings for ye olde timey words.
Jazz is an interesting term for racial slurs. Not one I ever considered. Jazz being "black" music and all.
The truth of the matter is that these guys did get "caught up in the moment", but that didn't stop them from being racist.But we don't know they beat up those girls because they were white. That's all I'm saying. They could of beaten anybody up who wouldn't let them use that court. Because they shouted "white cracker" and "black power", it looks racist but that doesn't mean they attacked for racist reasons.
Sure, I can make all the jokes about rape that I wantNothin' wrong with rape jokes. I made one relating to electricity the other day.
but these guys would have acted differently if it had been four black girls...or at least SPOKEN differently...given that they were not racist, right?It's true that the reaction would of been different but most likely because everybody could go nuts on their Jump-to-Conclusions Mat. I imagine if four black girls got beaten up by a swarm of black kids, nobody would of cared.
At the very least they carried a grudge against the white man. There is an overwheling sentiment among black people that the white man is keeping them down....What? You don't know anybody involved in that attack do you? And you're stereotyping them.
Which, of course, was my original point: Black people are just as guilty of racism as white people.'Tis just.
"i have thought long on this very topic of gang violence and reluctance of police/media/general population to call it what it is out of fear of being called racists...as if gangs are the keystone of minority culture and should be respected like some damn religion...which in itself is completely racist when you think about it."
"f*** gangs. if you're in one you are a scumbag."
"according to those 'teens' (gangbanger scumbags)..."
these are the lines you quoted. all pertaining to gangs and not to black people. so i have to ask---hey cosmic beings....how exactly does pointing out my hatred toward gang members expose me as a racist? so what you are saying is that a violent gang member is the epitome of an african american? you are aware that there are plenty of gangs from other ethnicities in america, right? even the perfect little white boys in 'white america' suburbia whom you fail to acknowledge. sorry to burst your little dream bubble.
and as far as media/police/GENERAL PUBLIC...etc being afraid of being labeled as racists, how does it make me a racist for pointing that out? and how is it that you deem these organisations to be exclusively white?
and especially the GENERAL F***ING PUBLIC?
now WHO is the racist?
keep digging buddy, at this rate your arguement is killing itself and all i have to do is sit back and laugh...
Originally posted by PVS
these are the lines you quoted. all pertaining to gangs and not to black people. so i have to ask---hey cosmic beings....how exactly does pointing out my hatred toward gang members expose me as a racist?
Man, you're such a freaking dimrod. I said you were the only person who said hateful things, and you're the one who accused me of being racist, not the other way around. You're stupid. Practice with some flash cards, you can't seem to remember anything at all.
Originally posted by PVS so what you are saying is that a violent gang member is the epitome of an african american? you are aware that there are plenty of gangs from other ethnicities in america, right? even the perfect little white boys in 'white america' suburbia whom you fail to acknowledge. sorry to burst your little dream bubble.[/B]
Everyone knows that there are white gangs, I never said there weren't. Stop resorting to putting words in my mouth... weak dude, weak. But if the gang was white, then it wouldn't have happened, because they wouldn't be racist to the white girls. That was the whole problem in the first place, the black gang members were racist to the white girls. That's the point of this topic, stupid, black people being racist to white people. In your stupid head, you somehow thought that it was about gangsters being racist against white people... but like you just said, gangsters come in all races. Jesus, go back to elemetary school.
Originally posted by PVS and as far as media/police/GENERAL PUBLIC...etc being afraid of being labeled as racists, how does it make me a racist for pointing that out?[/B]
Again, you were the only one who called anyone a racist, not me. You'll probably try something stupid and act like you didn't adn that I did, but anyone with half a brain reading this can take a look back and see, but you'd probably resort to lying again because you just got owned. (I can already see it... "Lie? When did I lie?" TIP: ask your mom for flash cards, you need to improve your memory.)
Originally posted by PVS keep digging buddy, at this rate your arguement is killing itself and all i have to do is sit back and laugh... [/B]
What a complete idiot.
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
That's the point of this topic, stupid, black people being racist to white people.
see? thats completely racist
this topic is about a particular incident.
you tagged onto it a one-sided racist agenda.
im very sorry that you cant see the obvious here ❌
and for the last time, calling me stupid and other various insults doesnt change what you said. all anyone has to do is scroll back. and read. and really, stop all the crying sunshine 🙂 and remember, its never too late to turn it all around and respect all ethnicities. think about it anyway 😉
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
That was the whole problem in the first place, the black gang members were racist to the white girls. That's the point of this topic, stupid, black people being racist to white people.
"According to witnesses and parents of the victims, four young girls from St. Edmund’s had the day off from school due to Easter recess. They were playing basketball during dismissal from nearby Marine Park Junior High School, when several Marine Park students demanded to use the court."
Four girls from one junior high school had the day off because of Easter break, and were playing basketball on the court near another junior high school during recess.
"After adults intervened and asked them to wait their turn, the teens left - but returned in a pack of up to 30, both boys and girls, and stormed into the park."
"Gang" as in "a large group," not "an informal orginzation of delinquents".
"Witnesses say the attackers were all black and called their victims 'white crackers' during the bloody melee, which raged for almost 20 minutes."
The attackers called the victims 'white crackers' during the melee, not before or after. This supports the notion that the girls were beaten up for refusing to leave the basketball court. The fact that the girls were called racial epithets during the beating is incidental.
For this to be considered a hate crime, the race of the victims must be the motivation for the crime not a component of the crime.
"That's the point of this topic, stupid, black people being racist to white people. "
People are saying thats a racist statement? Why? the people were black, you can assume from them yelling martin luther king(who stood for peace) while acting in violence that they are limited in their ability of intelligence, and they were yelling white cracker while attacking white people. How would you define a stupid black racist then? Certainly you can admit that somehwere out there a stupid black racist exists correct??
If some white guy said i am hanging blacks for the christian church (KKK back in the day) I would have no problem seeing his actions as being racist and and stupid considering that jesus stood for love and peace. This is not to say that I myself am not a white christian. But I also detest violent racism and ignorance
Its your behavior that defines how people see you. If your black and scream Martin Luther King and white cracker as you attack white girls you will be percieved as a stupid black racist.
I just don't see how Cosmic Beings was being racist whatsoever.
Right. Earlier in this thread you said that white people are afraid of being accused of racism if they talk about black people being racist to white people. And I talked about black people being racist to white people, and what do you know, you yourself call me a racist.
Again, elementary school would be a wise choice.
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
No, if the girls were black, they wouldn't have tried to punk them off the court in the first place.
You know what....You sound so immature for that stupid idiotic comment that you made... You seem to be completly ignorant!!!! how do you PHYSICALLY KNOW that is was a racial issue... To the fool who assumes...and rite now you're the one assuming so i would suggest you stop while you're ahead rite now.....You sound completly racist and i'm sry but you just do....
if the girls were black they wouldn't have tried to punk them... that has to be the most immature dumbest thing i have read all month!!! If the teens wanted to do more i think definetly they would have done more like raped the girls if it was a racial issue.. I'm done.... You're done as well.....
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
Right. Earlier in this thread you said that white people are afraid of being accused of racism if they talk about black people being racist to white people. And I talked about black people being racist to white people, and what do you know, you yourself call me a racist.Again, elementary school would be a wise choice.
nice attempt at twisting logic.
i stated that people feel scared of pointing out minorities being racist toward white people, to avoid being labeled a racist. this applies to a particular incident, be it this or any other.
when you pile together all black violence against whites and ignore the violence towards black people and any other minority, well thats racist.
sorry to be the one to break it to you 🙁
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I think racism was a part of the motivation, probably not the whole thing, but they should be charged with hate crimes regardless. And if they weren't acting out of racism, then who cares, they are still scumbags for beating the shit out of four girls over a basketball court.
this i can definetly agree on... i mean one guy could hurt those gurls imagine what 10 guys can do... geez.... It gets me flared up to read this kinda crap.... 😠