Originally posted by MildPossession
Scarface is counted as a gangster/mafia movie, so can be mentioned in here.It is a mafia, because mafia now in films has been enlarged to include the likes of plot that Scarface is about.
Not just films like Godfather.
There's a pretty clear distinction between "gangster" movies, "mob" movies, and "mafia" movies. "Scarface" is a gangster movie, it has absolutely nothing to do with the mafia, and shouldn't be considered such. Anyone who lumps the two together, obviously has no respect for either genre by claiming they are one and the same.
How anyone could claim that a movie about a Cuban druglord's rise to glory and subsequent downfall has ANY sort of ties to the mafia is beyond me. Hell, it's barely a gangster movie, IMO! Sammy the Bull (Gotti's hitman) said himself that the Mafioso don't dabble in the drug trade.
Furthurmore, anyone recall in "The Godfather" where Don Corleone said that his family would not enter the narcotics business because of the risks? Someone enlighten me as to what Tony Montana was? A Cuban druglord, correct? Just because Montana conducted business *like* the mafia doesn't constitute "Scarface" being called a mafia film. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, and label it a gangster film.
I'm not making exceptions to include movies that don't include traditional mafia movie staples just because it's "like" any other movie. That's lazy.
"Scarface" isn't a mafia movie by any definition. If Tony Montana were Sicilian, then you'd have an arguement.