Originally posted by jaden101
yeah legalisze it...then use the tax it generates to combat other major health issues caused by all the synthetic trash that the legal food companies force down our necks by way of hiding E numbers and such like in food and drinks
I concur, now where did i put that joint? 😮💨
Yes, absolutely it should be legalized. Any natural drug should be legal. I agree that drugs like ecstacy should remain illegal. That shit is not good for you. But just about everything else should be legal. If you want to fight a drug war, the best way to do it is to remove the issues causeing the war. Drugs will never go away. So many people are spending time in jail for buying a quater bag of weed. That's just ridiculous. All the money that drug lords in other countries can be put to better use in helping launch new American buisness' and create thousands of new jobs.
I'm willing to bet Jesus would have smoked weed if he were around today. Count on it.
Originally posted by PVS
i read that they actually have drive-thru pot shops along the boarders to keep them out
Never heard of it, never saw it... So i doubt it...
Besides most of those people buy and smoke it in coffee shops (thats where we buy drugs, not the american coffee shops where you buy coffee)
Still i like the idea, i should start a store like that
Originally posted by IceWithin
well lets just say u dont give a damn about ppl... I do call me a ****ign hypocrite I dont give a shit 😬
They don't give a shit about you though.
If you wanna care for every harry hardwork and sally sobstory then go for it, don't restrict people you have no right to restrict, based on your petty beliefs.
-AC
Originally posted by Fishy
Never heard of it, never saw it... So i doubt it...Besides most of those people buy and smoke it in coffee shops (thats where we buy drugs, not the american coffee shops where you buy coffee)
Still i like the idea, i should start a store like that
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/05/01/dutch.drugshops/
guess again. here is an article from cnn
see? dont be so quick to doubt 😛
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They don't give a shit about you though.If you wanna care for every harry hardwork and sally sobstory then go for it, don't restrict people you have no right to restrict, based on your petty beliefs.
-AC
Actually to stop people from using things that hurt them is a very normal thing for a goverment to do, and they every right to do so. Unless you want to live in an Anarchy, which is of course a perfectly respectable oppinion, but completly insane...
The goverment does have the right to limit the use of certain products, and they should. They are however hypocrites for still allowing Alchahol coffee and cigaretes when they don't allow other stuff that can hurt people.
Still the fact that they won't the hard drugs to be used is a compeltly understanable choice, its a proven fact that those things hurt you. But allowing soft drugs is a good way to limit or stop the use of drugs like that, a 9% drop in fact... At least from the latest figures, and those were only the people that admitted to using them, god knows what the real number is.
Besides those things only increase the number of people in healthcare instutions causing the normal people to lose billions of dollars in taxes for god knows what kind of shit, the use of those drugs are proven to hurt somebody really ****ing badly and the use of them should be restricted. The thing is though that as soon as a culture starts openly talking about it. Starts allowing some shit instead of just stupidly banning it all they lower the amount of people that use it and overall create a beter quality of life for most people.
i guess im in a minority in that i think its absolute hypocritical bullshit to call pot a 'drug'. its a frikin plant. but thats open for debate...indefinately
what really gets me pissed off is these hypocrites that call pot a drug and try to convince me that alcohol is not a drug, and that it is not as harmful as pot.
Originally posted by PVS
i guess im in a minority in that i think its absolute hypocritical bullshit to call pot a 'drug'. its a frikin plant. but thats open for debate...indefinatelywhat really gets me pissed off is these hypocrites that call pot a drug and try to convince me that alcohol is not a drug, and that it is not as harmful as pot.
I call it a drug because thats how its called 99% of the time... I don't think its a dangerous drug however
Originally posted by PVS
i guess im in a minority in that i think its absolute hypocritical bullshit to call pot a 'drug'. its a frikin plant. but thats open for debate...indefinatelywhat really gets me pissed off is these hypocrites that call pot a drug and try to convince me that alcohol is not a drug, and that it is not as harmful as pot.
Shit, well there goes my chance of stealing your idea and making a lot of money
Originally posted by Fishy
Actually to stop people from using things that hurt them is a very normal thing for a goverment to do, and they every right to do so. Unless you want to live in an Anarchy, which is of course a perfectly respectable oppinion, but completly insane...
Drugs don't cause anarchy, that's glaring error one.
Originally posted by Fishy
The goverment does have the right to limit the use of certain products, and they should. They are however hypocrites for still allowing Alchahol coffee and cigaretes when they don't allow other stuff that can hurt people.
I was unaware that IceWithin was a member of parliament or a politician. Even so, no they don't have the right. As long as I'm not harming anyone on this planet but myself, what business is it of anyone elses? No one's is the correct answer. Yes, legalising all drugs is gonna have bad side effects because there are bad people. You shouldn't restrict everyone based on idiots. However legalisation of all drugs isn't gonna happen, sadly.
Originally posted by Fishy
Still the fact that they won't the hard drugs to be used is a compeltly understanable choice, its a proven fact that those things hurt you. But allowing soft drugs is a good way to limit or stop the use of drugs like that, a 9% drop in fact... At least from the latest figures, and those were only the people that admitted to using them, god knows what the real number is.
Yeah but how about just allowing whatever the Hell they want to use? You give a shit about their health, they don't. Close the book at that point. You can't allow "soft" drugs because what's soft and hard is quite subjective. People do heroin recreationally.
Originally posted by Fishy
Besides those things only increase the number of people in healthcare instutions causing the normal people to lose billions of dollars in taxes for god knows what kind of shit, the use of those drugs are proven to hurt somebody really ****ing badly and the use of them should be restricted. The thing is though that as soon as a culture starts openly talking about it. Starts allowing some shit instead of just stupidly banning it all they lower the amount of people that use it and overall create a beter quality of life for most people.
Who puts them into healthcare? Not the addicts.
Here's the deal: If an addict wants to get clean, they have the options. If an addict wants to shoot up till he/she dies, that's their problem. Why do you automatically assume addicts have to go into healthcare and have that money be wasted? It's all these interventions that need to stop. "You have a drug problem, we're putting you in care." "No, I have a you problem. F*ck off and leave me alone." Don't assume addicts have to be forced into care.
PVS, next time someone says that to you, pull out ANOTHER Bill Hicks quote:
"People claim that alcohol is ok because it's a socially acceptable means of mingling with people and that pot is bad because it harms with secondary smoke. Bullshit. I can't kill someone if I smoke a joint while I'm driving. If you see someone at a ball game, they're loud and obnoxious: Drunk or smoking pot? Drunk, exactly. I've never seen two people on pot get in a fight because it is f*cking impossible
Man 1: Hey Buddy!!!!
Man 2: Hey what!??!?!
Man 1: ..............Hey? Duuuude you gotta play miniature golf."
-AC
Drugs don't cause anarchy, that's glaring error one.
Drugs don't, but allowing people to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anybody does... Whats to stop you from driving 200 on the freeway? Nothing, you don't hurt anybody but then all of a sudden you crash into another car... Its called prevention, goverments try to do it...
I was unaware that IceWithin was a member of parliament or a politician. Even so, no they don't have the right. As long as I'm not harming anyone on this planet but myself, what business is it of anyone elses? No one's is the correct answer. Yes, legalising all drugs is gonna have bad side effects because there are bad people. You shouldn't restrict everyone based on idiots. However legalisation of all drugs isn't gonna happen, sadly.
Yeah like crack works good for anybody... You ever seen anybody that used that shit? You ever talked to people like that? Probably not, living in an idealistic world where everybody is responsible for them and only them... Allowing things that aren't harmfull are perfectly fine for a goverment to do, but why say hurting yourself is legal? I mean the US goverment has plenty of legal ways to hurt yourself already, why add another one...
And actually because Ice lives in a democratic country (at least i assume) he is partly responsible for the goverment, therefor his oppinion matters in the goverment... Or at least it should and as long as enough people support it then the goverment would have no choice but to follow that oppinion.
Yeah but how about just allowing whatever the Hell they want to use? You give a shit about their health, they don't. Close the book at that point. You can't allow "soft" drugs because what's soft and hard is quite subjective. People do heroin recreationally.
I don't know the exact facts, but if you know Dutch look at some Dutch sites about drugs including goverment one's, they have all the data you will need on it. There is a clear difference between the two, i don't know all about it, so i wouldn't be able to tell you. But you might want to look it up.
Who puts them into healthcare? Not the addicts.
No in this country its called the goverment, or organisations that look out for people. You get sick you go to a doctor, point. It would cost us millions if not billions of dollars for unnessacary treatments.
Here's the deal: If an addict wants to get clean, they have the options. If an addict wants to shoot up till he/she dies, that's their problem. Why do you automatically assume addicts have to go into healthcare and have that money be wasted? It's all these interventions that need to stop. "You have a drug problem, we're putting you in care." "No, I have a you problem. F*ck off and leave me alone." Don't assume addicts have to be forced into care.
Oh they don't have to be forced into healthcare, but unless they want to live on the street and have pretty much all their rights to things removed including a job and money, and they want to go to jail because of stealing they will no real choice but to just accept to stop.
Seeing as our healthcare system dictates that everybody should be helped no matter how much money they have. If you don't want it then you won't have to take it, and you can stay outside and keep on doing drugs, but don't expect to get welfare anymore either... Will be hard paying for your house then wouldn't it be? Cops have a habbit of checking on people like that, just like the tax collectors... Basicly unless you have a rich family and you can avoid getting caught you pretty much have to stop using the drugs, at least if you want food... If they don't, they'll be dead soon enough. Which would still cost us at least 2000 euro's simply to pay for a basic funeral...
PVS, next time someone says that to you, pull out ANOTHER Bill Hicks quote:"People claim that alcohol is ok because it's a socially acceptable means of mingling with people and that pot is bad because it harms with secondary smoke. Bullshit. I can't kill someone if I smoke a joint while I'm driving. If you see someone at a ball game, they're loud and obnoxious: Drunk or smoking pot? Drunk, exactly. I've never seen two people on pot get in a fight because it is f*cking impossible
Man 1: Hey Buddy!!!!
Man 2: Hey what!??!?!
Man 1: ..............Hey? Duuuude you gotta play miniature golf."
-AC [/B]
I never said pot shouldn't be legalised did I? I'm all in favor of that... Actually where i live it already is 😛
Originally posted by Fishy
Drugs don't, but allowing people to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anybody does... Whats to stop you from driving 200 on the freeway? Nothing, you don't hurt anybody but then all of a sudden you crash into another car... Its called prevention, goverments try to do it...
By banning cars? No. By banning weed? Yes. I know many MANY MANY people who smoke weed, heavily. Never seen a violent peep out of them. Yes there are consequences as I said, but you're never gonna rid the world of idiots. Total drug legalisation will probably never happy for the simple reason that the idiots are ruining it. Is should happen, but it won't.
Originally posted by Fishy
Yeah like crack works good for anybody... You ever seen anybody that used that shit? You ever talked to people like that? Probably not, living in an idealistic world where everybody is responsible for them and only them... Allowing things that aren't harmfull are perfectly fine for a goverment to do, but why say hurting yourself is legal? I mean the US goverment has plenty of legal ways to hurt yourself already, why add another one...
My closest cousin was a crack addict for many years, I knew her you know. I've seen friends on it, friends of friends on it, random strangers around my area on it. Think before you speak. You know what they say about assumptions.
You're missing the point, no government has the right to ban a substance because of what it could do to someone's health. That's not the government's choice. Why add another one? Because it's freedom of expression. It's not up to them what I take into my body.
Originally posted by Fishy
And actually because Ice lives in a democratic country (at least i assume) he is partly responsible for the goverment, therefor his oppinion matters in the goverment... Or at least it should and as long as enough people support it then the goverment would have no choice but to follow that oppinion.
Well his opinion sucks. Legalising drugs that he likes but taking away that same privilege from another addict purely because Ice doesn't want them to do harm to themselves. That's real noble but it's none of your damn business.
Originally posted by Fishy
I don't know the exact facts, but if you know Dutch look at some Dutch sites about drugs including goverment one's, they have all the data you will need on it. There is a clear difference between the two, i don't know all about it, so i wouldn't be able to tell you. But you might want to look it up.
Yeah, because I know nothing about anything that we're discussing here and a trip to a Dutch info site will surely clue me up [/Sarcasm].
But seriously, I know drugs. In an ideal world, they'd all be legalised, but it aint gonna happen, so don't lose sleep.
Originally posted by Fishy
No in this country its called the goverment, or organisations that look out for people. You get sick you go to a doctor, point. It would cost us millions if not billions of dollars for unnessacary treatments.
Look out for or stop from doing what they are entitled to do? (Pssst, it's the latter.)
You get sick, you go to a doctor. You're addicted to drugs to the point that you might die? You either do the smart thing and get help or you die. The problem is nosey nobodies sticking their noses in, FORCING the addict into expensive rehab, purely because they don't want them dead. Newsflash, live your own life.
Originally posted by Fishy
Oh they don't have to be forced into healthcare, but unless they want to live on the street and have pretty much all their rights to things removed including a job and money, and they want to go to jail because of stealing they will no real choice but to just accept to stop.
Want to go to jail because of stealing? I'm over here with my point, where are you going? Come back.
Then if they don't have to be forced into healthcare, stop complaining about how much it takes to rehab the people, get over the sanctity of life syndrome and realise that as long as a drug addict is in his own little world, not hurting anyone, he might not NEED or WANT your help.
Originally posted by Fishy
Seeing as our healthcare system dictates that everybody should be helped no matter how much money they have. If you don't want it then you won't have to take it, and you can stay outside and keep on doing drugs, but don't expect to get welfare anymore either... Will be hard paying for your house then wouldn't it be? Cops have a habbit of checking on people like that, just like the tax collectors... Basicly unless you have a rich family and you can avoid getting caught you pretty much have to stop using the drugs, at least if you want food... If they don't, they'll be dead soon enough. Which would still cost us at least 2000 euro's simply to pay for a basic funeral...
Yeah exactly. Then let people suffer the consequences, you're proving my point. All drugs are legalised, people can take whatever they want. The bad stuff will stay but there will be alot less crime in certain ways and it would sure as Hell give the people more respect for the government. As long as they take the stance of, "You can't do that coz we don't like it", it's wrong.
-AC
By banning cars? No. By banning weed? Yes. I know many MANY MANY people who smoke weed, heavily. Never seen a violent peep out of them. Yes there are consequences as I said, but you're never gonna rid the world of idiots. Total drug legalisation will probably never happy for the simple reason that the idiots are ruining it. Is should happen, but it won't.
There are speed limits you know
My closest cousin was a crack addict for many years, I knew her you know. I've seen friends on it, friends of friends on it, random strangers around my area on it. Think before you speak. You know what they say about assumptions.
And you still think it should be allowed? I've seen dozens of people on this shit, and every time i do i realise once again why its not allowed and for a good reason.. At least thats what i think, afterall allowing people to keep on hurting themselves no matter what it does to other people is just insane.. Because realise or not, it does hurt other people
You're missing the point, no government has the right to ban a substance because of what it could do to someone's health. That's not the government's choice. Why add another one? Because it's freedom of expression. It's not up to them what I take into my body.
No your missing the point, it is the goverments right, setting up rule's and legistations is what they do, goverments limits your freedom in a million things, why would dangerous substances be any different? You don't think people should be allowed to drive as fast they want as long as they want do you? Do you think that a cop should have the choice whether he goes and arrests a criminal or drink some coffee? In an ideal world like you keep on saying crime wouldn't excist, thing is it does.. Just like drugs can damage the health of people, its their own ****ing choice isn't? If you want to shoot yourself in the middle of the street its your choice and you should be allowed to do it? Well not like you can stop that, but it hurts other people around you. Not to mention that it costs money to clean up the mess...
People can not be allowed to do whatever they want, that just hurts everybody that does not want to do it...
Well his opinion sucks. Legalising drugs that he likes but taking away that same privilege from another addict purely because Ice doesn't want them to do harm to themselves. That's real noble but it's none of your damn business.
And your opinion is holy and right? And yes it is his right, because a lot of those people eventually end up hurting other people...
Yeah, because I know nothing about anything that we're discussing here and a trip to a Dutch info site will surely clue me up [/Sarcasm].
I don't know about the first part but the second part? Yeah...
But seriously, I know drugs. In an ideal world, they'd all be legalised, but it aint gonna happen, so don't lose sleep.
In an ideal world people wouldn't be sick either, people wouldn't kill people either, people wouldn't comit crimes... Nothing bad would happen. It does however.
Look out for or stop from doing what they are entitled to do? (Pssst, it's the latter.)
Yeah, looking at them would cost billions, trying to stop them and giving them alternatives is by far the better alternative.
You get sick, you go to a doctor. You're addicted to drugs to the point that you might die? You either do the smart thing and get help or you die. The problem is nosey nobodies sticking their noses in, FORCING the addict into expensive rehab, purely because they don't want them dead. Newsflash, live your own life.
That would be nice, tobad that something like that just won't happen... It can't happen, things go wrong and society ends up paying the price. We pay for people like that, you wan't your taxes to go up so somebody can use dangerous things that will kill him no matter what? You wan't taxes to go up because the user is so sick that he needs to go to the hospital? Guess who ends up paying that bill? In this country the people do...
Want to go to jail because of stealing? I'm over here with my point, where are you going? Come back.
*takes car with 300 kilometres over the highway causing 7 people to die because they try to avoid me*
Then if they don't have to be forced into healthcare, stop complaining about how much it takes to rehab the people, get over the sanctity of life syndrome and realise that as long as a drug addict is in his own little world, not hurting anyone, he might not NEED or WANT your help.
Sanctity of life?? You think i life is sacred, you are foolishly mistaking. I am all pro choice if you want to have an abortian then go ahead, if you want to kill yourself go ahead, but there is no reason to ruin the lives of other people while doing it, and taking up society's money and time for no good reason. Because eventually that is what you are doing.
Yeah exactly. Then let people suffer the consequences, you're proving my point. All drugs are legalised, people can take whatever they want. The bad stuff will stay but there will be alot less crime in certain ways and it would sure as Hell give the people more respect for the government. As long as they take the stance of, "You can't do that coz we don't like it", it's wrong.
You don't get it do you? Legalising Marijuana already does that, it lowers crime rates dramaticly... It stops huge problems in this country and lowers the usage of the rest of the heavier drugs... Why allow those too then? Whats the point at allowing people to hurt themselves when they can get relief from none damaging products? I really don't understand why you so badly want the people to be able to go use dangerous stuff purely and only because they want too.
If you have a reason to use drugs use those that don't damage you or your envirement... How hard could it be? It would save the country a lot of money and would not hurt people while it could still help them...