Should Marijuana Be Legalized?

Must be your area then. I haven't see any hipsters in Los Angeles County who smoke pot. Maybe they stay inside the actual city, **** if I know. I live on the outskirts towards all the beaches.

edit: To be honest I have no ****ing idea what a hipster really is.. the actual definition, just what everyone else sums up in their own way which tends to be different each time.

Originally posted by inimalist
every. stoner. ive. ever. met.

I've literally had many, many conversations with people who think legalizing weed would simply turn into everyone growing their own organic stuff, and nobody would want the convenience of going to a store to buy it, essentially because it would be gauche.

Are you against what they say?

At this point, I feel like it's the principle of the thing. I'm not going to argue for the positive economic or medicinal effects of marijuana. That's already been argued ad nauseam. What bothers me is that America is supposed to be a free country with a free market economy, and state governments act like authoritarian parents when it comes to recreational drug use i.e. just saying no because...no. I think that the argument that legalizing pot would create a lethargic workforce is kind of illogical because people would still be fired if they came to work high, just as they would if they came to work drunk. I just feel like it's a problem that the market could and would fix by itself if given the chance. Besides, getting high is fun!

I'm hungry

the focus should be on a federal decriminalization of possession and cultivation. imho legalization is just another roadblock in the way of progress and justice. the false dilemma is that you have to choose between absolute personal freedom and impeding organized crime.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Generalization at its finest, Lol. What exactly is this hipster class of potheads you speak of? Being legal, you wouldnt need to use some farmers corn farm. 😉

Common folk? Weed smokers are weed smokers. I could care less if you smoke schwag or if you smoke top shelf medicinal marijuana. You get the idea. You know the feeling. I smoked weaker shit when I started out, its something you gotta build into. Just like the first time drinking alcohol. You'll drink a sip of grandmas wine or a taste of grandpas beer. Eventually leading up to a beer all to your own. Hard liquor and so on.

If someone were to buy from the store (which I probably would for instant obtainability) then good for them. Maybe after purchasing a few packs someone will inform them, or they will look it up themselves, on how to grow their own stuff to the full extent. Took me a while to figure it out myself after purchasing from friends and eventually family. I have cousins that work in the dispensaries. Male and female. Good times.

Not everyone is as childish as your comment suggests. "My toys are better than your toys."

Nothing a hipster does is ever necessary, in fact hipsters tend to avoid convenience, practicality, newness, notability, and ubiquity like a cancer. Growing it in a corn field even when you could buy it in a store or grow it in your front yard would set them apart from the masses. That's basically the drive of every hipster at the end of the day be they music hipsters or otherwise.

I would say that 'my toys are better than your toys' is one of the few Universal truths of human nature lol.

It's not childish, it's being human.

Dude to an overreach of federal power, apparently.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
The issue of states' rights is constantly put in the realm of hyperbole and left-wing histrionics to deprive the states of their lawfully-granted powers. When you argue that "BUT WHAT IF THE STATES WANTED TO LEGALIZE MURDER," what you're actually arguing is that the federal government should be able to shit up the rest of America in favor of whatever dumbf*ck progressive horseshit you're wanting to force onto everyone else at the time.

So you actually do agree that federal laws preventing the states from making murder legal should be abolished? I'm glad that libertarian positions don't even need to be parodied in order to show how insane they are.

It's an oddly principled position, though, I'll give you that. "No one can trample on my rights unless they go through the proper chanels in which case I will not question it!"

Originally posted by inimalist
look at prohibition, those criminal bootleggers and still operators made a much finer quality of product, for much cheaper, than do modern alcohol manufacturers.

Unless you consider the ethanol content to be the sole determining factor in the quality of an alcoholic beverage, I'd would be much more accurate to say that very few bootleggers made a quality* product, while marking up the prices hundreds of percent more (Fisher), than almost all modern alcohol manufacturers. Not only did quality largely go down, but the prices skyrocketed in many areas.

Generally, allowing a crop to be mass produced reduces the price and increases the quality of a product. MJ would not become like Big Oil: it would be more comparable to Tobacco of Soy Beans in nature (pun not intended).

*"People did not take the trouble to go to a speakeasy, present the password, and pay high prices for very poor quality alcohol simply to have a beer. When people went to speakeasies, they went to get drunk." (Zinberg and Fraser, 1985, p. 468)" http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1091124904_6.html

"The super geeky thing that I find interesting is that the quality of the alcohol available during Prohibition was lower."
http://thebeststeakanywhere.com/2011/12/celebrating-the-end-of-prohibition/

"Bootleggers supplied the alcoholic beverages which were often of poor quality, like bathtub gin made from denatured alcohol".
http://books.google.com/books?id=mb0SZIYCXREC&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=poor+quality#v=onepage&q=poor%20quality&f=false

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You missed my point entirely.

Nothing a hipster does is ever necessary, in fact hipsters tend to avoid convenience, practicality, newness, notability, and ubiquity like a cancer. Growing it in a corn field even when you could buy it in a store or grow it in your front yard would set them apart from the masses. That's basically the drive of every hipster at the end of the day be they music hipsters or otherwise.

I would say that 'my toys are better than your toys' is one of the few Universal truths of human nature lol.

It's not childish, it's being human.

You can say that but it doesn't mean it's universally fact. To me it's we both have awesome toys, let's **** with them. Shit awesome. All depends on your personality, really. Yours seems a bit negative.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I could see there being a hipster class of potheads that disdain the common folk buying store weed and assert that the only way to grow it is in your basement or in the middle of some farmer's corn field.

Oh, most definitely:

^ 😂

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Why do you care what a hipster does again? Your mind seems to be filled with lots of info on them.

You can say that but it doesn't mean it's universally fact. To me it's we both have awesome toys, let's **** with them. Shit awesome. All depends on your personality, really. Yours seems a bit negative.

I don't even get what your problem is with what I said.

Also are you seriously doubting that the vast majority of people have a powerful competitive urge? Because if so then you're on the wrong side of reality. Some of the most humble people I know have at least one thing they get competitive over.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

I don't even get what your problem is with what I said.

So you actually do agree that federal laws preventing the states from making murder legal should be abolished? I'm glad that libertarian positions don't even need to be parodied in order to show how insane they are.

It's an oddly principled position, though, I'll give you that. "No one can trample on my rights unless they go through the proper chanels in which case I will not question it!"

Originally posted by Omega Vision
^ 😂

Lol U Mad.

I don't even get what your problem is with what I said.

Also are you seriously doubting that the vast majority of people have a powerful competitive urge? Because if so then you're on the wrong side of reality. Some of the most humble people I know have at least one thing they get competitive over.

Nah, I'm high. Didn't realize that post seemed mad lol. Just innocently curious as to why you care what a hipster does. stoned

Yeah we are competitive and keep it within good sportsmanship mr negative pants.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Weed tends to make you paranoid and defensive.

OH HELL NO YOU DIDN'T

seriously man thats like not even true

😉

Originally posted by dadudemon
Unless you consider the ethanol content to be the sole determining factor in the quality of an alcoholic beverage, I'd would be much more accurate to say that very few bootleggers made a quality* product, while marking up the prices hundreds of percent more (Fisher), than almost all modern alcohol manufacturers. Not only did quality largely go down, but the prices skyrocketed in many areas.

my point was entirely sarcastic, for the reasons you mention

Originally posted by inimalist
my point was entirely sarcastic, for the reasons you mention

Sarcasm?

WTF?!?!? You should at least use a smiley face. Now I look like MORE of an *ss. 😬

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you actually do agree that federal laws preventing the states from making murder legal should be abolished? I'm glad that libertarian positions don't even need to be parodied in order to show how insane they are.

It's an oddly principled position, though, I'll give you that. "No one can trample on my rights unless they go through the proper chanels in which case I will not question it!"

Originally posted by inimalist
my point was entirely sarcastic, for the reasons you mention

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sarcasm?

WTF?!?!? You should at least use a smiley face. Now I look like MORE of an *ss. 😬

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
Yeah, bro. I thought you were serious too, and I was like "the ****?" but I didn't want to take the time to go find links to prove it. I'm glad DDM did it for me 😛

I looked over his words. I still don't see how it is saracasm even if he was going for the smug approach. It's just too long of a sentence. uhuh

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
What if the federal government wanted to legalize murder?

Then it should be stopped. Similarly state governments should be stopped if they try equally insane things.

The real question is why Zeal disgrees with the second part.

I think state governments shouldn't be allowed to do insane, harmful things simple because they aren't the federal government. Libertarians believe they should. People think I'm weird. Such is the internet, I suppose.

ffs

"Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."