Darth Maul vs. Darth Tyranus

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1. What better feats does Maul have? They are overall of the same skill in combat.

2. Maul definitely does not scale over Opress. In fact, Force strength-wise, Savage scales over Maul.

1. Better TK Feats. Hes TKd Kenobi a few times. Hes thrown Kenobis and Gallias Jedi craft over the cliff.

2. Yeah he does. Thats why Maul was the Master and Opress the Apprentice. Savage states it himself - Youve grown so powerful. Obviously implying power in the Force, and obviously implying Maul is more powerful than Opress.

Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
Vader ragdolls him.

Lol, was thinking about Vader and accidentally posted this.

OT-Maul.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's not an argument.

Partly owning Dooku and Ventress, then Anakin and Obi-Wan - all by himself? Okay.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1. Better TK Feats. Hes TKd Kenobi a few times. Hes thrown Kenobis and Gallias Jedi craft over the cliff.

2. Yeah he does. Thats why Maul was the Master and Opress the Apprentice. Savage states it himself - Youve grown so powerful. Obviously implying power in the Force, and obviously implying Maul is more powerful than Opress.

1. That doesn't mean his telekinesis is greater. That means he was lucky to seize them in his grasp

2. As in Force Mastery? Or are you going to use Windu's own statement that Depa is>Vaapad than her?

It's obvious that Oppres has low-self esteem since everyone calls him or think of him as beast and sloppy lightssbre combatant.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah he does. Thats why Maul was the Master and Opress the Apprentice. Savage states it himself - Youve grown so powerful. Obviously implying power in the Force, and obviously implying Maul is more powerful than Opress.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Partly owning Dooku and Ventress, then Anakin and Obi-Wan - all by himself? Okay.

I mean in the same arc Ventress was force choking both Anakin and Obi-Wan.

So similarly that doesn't put her above Maul in TK. Just shows she has the power to compete with those guys (at that point).

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1. That doesn't mean his telekinesis is greater. That means he was lucky to seize them in his grasp

2. As in Force Mastery? Or are you going to use Windu's own statement that Depa is>Vaapad than her?

It's obvious that Oppres has low-self esteem since everyone calls him or think of him as beast and sloppy lightssbre combatant.

1. Except Opress specifically states "You've grown So Powerful"
He knew Maul was simply more powerful and not just lucky one time lol.

2. If Opress was modest he wouldn't have challenged Maul for equality/superiority in the first place.
Has there even been a Sith Apprentice who was more powerful than their master in the Force?

Lol thats not obvious at all. Maul was simply more skilled and more powerful. Dock himself was training Opress to reach Peak Maul level. That was his goal.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
This was after a lightsaber duel, in which Savage was outmanoeuvred and physically stomped by Maul's metal legs. Not seeing how this is force related.

See above. It was due to his power in the force increasing.

Of course he's more skilled as well, that just made it an uber stomp.

It's like when Anakin beat Dooku. It was his power in the force that was too great.

That said Dooku had greater force mastery than Anakin, but that clearly isn't the case here.

If anything, Maul is akin to Dooku in that situation, with Savage playing the role of Anakin.

How can it be that Maul's power afforded him the win, when he didn't use the force once? Is it in an augmentation sense? I think it's just Savage speaking generally, and using the term 'power' very liberally. Unless you want to say that Savage isn't attributing power to his brother's victory and instead, just all of a sudden 'sensed' he'd become stronger? I'm not opposed to the idea that Maul > Opress in force strength, but the show always made it seem as if Savage was more powerful, but less refined. That's how I saw it anyway.

^ Yes Force Power In augmentation sense. And if the power is there then Maul would be able to apply it better to TK as well. And he has the Feats. The Jedi craft he pulled was larger than the one Savage pulled. And Maul was the one TKing Kenobi in their 2 on 1, not Savage. Though to be fair Savage was too busy getting beaten up. But I think it showcased mastery to levitate and manoeuvre Kenobi like that, where’s Savage was more about simple (but powerful) chokes and force waves.

Savage may have had more raw power, but it takes mastery to actualise it. Mauls actualised Power was greater, though Savage may have had more raw potential.

Anakin has more actualised augmented power in Sabers (over Dooku), but that wouldnt necessarily mean he could ragdoll Kenobi because he didnt have the TK Mastery Dooku has.

Dooku, as always.

Originally posted by DarthCaedus77
Lol, was thinking about Vader and accidentally posted this.

OT-Maul.

Was thinking about Maul and mistyped.