Original 5 X-men vs. F4

But reed is a geniuos, so with enough prep time he could use an anti-phoenix device

But there is no prep time....and the pheonix isnt a part of the team.....were going with Jean at her most powerful without the Pheonix....what do u think now???

but isn't jean at her most powerful still phoenix level. i don't know if this is true but hasn't the phoenix force always been apart of her in some way??

Yeah it has. Jeans ability to tap into the phoenix is her ultimate mutation

"I'm going with Jean at her power level, sans Phoenix, during Morrison's run. "

Jean was phoenix during that run. That run cleared up the phoenix story and reverted back to the original idea that dark phoenix was jean and that they have always been one. She's always been able to tap into it as her max potential

all true GS.

is there something wrong with the forums?? i keep seing the same threads on all the pages and couldnt even find this on a search had to go and do a copy and paste from my email.....whatever since i dont want this fight to last two seconds and i want it to actually be worth something....pretend the pheonix force does not exist.....so like almost Xavier type telepathy and her usual telekinesis.....