Originally posted by Jeff_AtelloSo they need a strong candidate, someone like Hillary Clinton, who can actually take on the bastards and make things better. I don't care how you feel about Hillary Clinton, she is very smart and has the drive to accomplish anything she wants.
There will always be political parties. We couldn't switch to a one-party system because then we'd be in a dictatorship, so to speak.
In my opinion Hilary wouldn't accomplish anything. As of recently she has been moving to the middle to make it seem like she is moderate to get the votes. If she were elected she would just blow it off and not do anything she promises. She is being a flip flop just like Kerry.
Unfortunately it seems that there will always be political parties; I agree. I would be best it we went to a no party system so the people would vote out from character and stances on issues instead of political affiliation.
Re: liberal puppets?
Originally posted by moviejunkie23Meh, I can't speak for the rest of the forum members or young people in general. All I can say is, while others may call me a liberal, I really don't think of it that way. To say that I'm some sort of puppet or pawn being used to further someones political agenda is absurd. Speaking personally, I haven't read any of these leftist books you speak of nor do I think I'm so weak minded because of my youth that I've fallen prey to anyone's propaganda. To me, the opinions I hold are ones that you will have if you have common sense.
You know I was noticing allot of people in their teens and in their early adult years sound like mouth pieces for extreme liberal ideas. I am 23 myself and my age group counts as well in this. It just seems to me like i have this impression they are regurgitating these ideas and maybe not thinking about it. I am not persay against being a liberal, but i have just noticed allot of people, in this age group especially, that just seem like liberal clones that have been given a certain point of view and they just pick it up and run with it.
It almost reminds me if someone watched Micheal Moore movies and memorized them all and then read allot of liberal books without putting their thinking caps on and then just turned around and started spewing the information they just obtained at anybody that crosses them.
Now of course their are people on the right wing that do the same. Anyone that says "Liberals are unpatriotic and hate america, and the right are for smaller government!"
Thats a stupid statement as well and is made by plenty of right wingers, but i guess what i am saying especially on these threads i have noticed allot of liberal views that take the extreme stance on something with a very closed mind and allot of them seem very bitter and hatefull, allot of times directed at christians in particular.
Anyway Discuss
I mean, for example, I think that gay people should be allowed to get married. I don't understand how it's extreme at all to think that all human beings, regardless of sexual orientation, deserve a chance at love and marriage. Or, with the abortion debate. While I would probably never get one (personal reasons), I have enough sense to know that an issue like this is complex and just because I wouldn't do it doesn't mean that I have any right to take away someone elses right to choose.
So, I guess in the end the problem I have with socially conservative viewpoints is that they tend color everything in black and white. This is right, this is wrong, period. I think any reasonably intelligent person can see that this isn't the way to approach any issue.
Originally posted by Jeff_Atello
BullitNutz, that was awesome.
Thanks. I've had a good number of years of practice in debates. Applying that to forums is child's play, not to mention the power of the internet readily available, I can post graphs, quotes, etc.
Ramzi Yousef bombed the WTC in Feb. 1993.
It was 8 years and 7 months before Al-Qaeda struck again.
The Bush administration is trying to pawn themselves off as "protecting america."
I'll ask them to kindly wait for an equivalent amount of time to pass before making such lofty claims. Terrorists biding their time is not "protecting america," it's falling asleep at the wheel.
But then again, we could just look at some figures, shall we?
The worst Democratic president in the better part of the 20th century (1930-2001) still gained more jobs than the best Republican. (Source)
Since 1900, Democratic presidents have produced a 12.3 percent annual total return on the S&P 500, but Republicans only an 8 percent return. Furthermore, having a Republican Congress doesn't help the market. A Democratic Senate showed returns of 10.5 percent (versus 9.4 percent for a GOP upper chamber), and a Democratic House returned 10.9 percent versus 8.1 percent for the Republicans. Real GDP growth follows the same pattern. Since 1930 (the first year decent data is available), GDP growth was 5.4 percent for Democratic presidents and 1.6 percent for Republicans. (Source)
Yep, That'd be the Republicans, the better party for business. I'd assume we have a Pro-life crowd on the boards, let's break some abortion statistics out, shall we? Okay, and here we are (Emphasis Mine):
"Under President Bush, the decade-long trend of declining abortion rates appears to have reversed," said Glen Stassen, Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary, a leading evangelical divinity school. Citing connections to rising unemployment and soaring healthcare costs, Stassen noted that "economic policy and abortion are not separate issues. They form one moral imperative."Using data from the Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life, the Guttmacher Institute, and reporting by individual states, Stassen found that U.S. abortion rates declined 17.4% in the 1990s to a 24-year low when Bush took office. Many expected that downward trend to continue under the conservative president, but Stassen found the opposite: 52,000 more abortions occurred in 2002 than would have been expected under the pre-2000 conditions, and abortion has risen significantly in those states reporting multi-year abortion statistics.
Oh screw it, there's way too much to be put in one post. Here's 100 Facts and One Opinion.
Well, if you look at the last worthwhile post I made, (Here.)
I think you might agree I was a little too harsh on the kids.
Re: liberal puppets?
Originally posted by moviejunkie23
You know I was noticing allot of people in their teens and in their early adult years sound like mouth pieces for extreme liberal ideas. I am 23 myself and my age group counts as well in this. It just seems to me like i have this impression they are regurgitating these ideas and maybe not thinking about it. I am not persay against being a liberal, but i have just noticed allot of people, in this age group especially, that just seem like liberal clones that have been given a certain point of view and they just pick it up and run with it.
It almost reminds me if someone watched Micheal Moore movies and memorized them all and then read allot of liberal books without putting their thinking caps on and then just turned around and started spewing the information they just obtained at anybody that crosses them.
Now of course their are people on the right wing that do the same. Anyone that says "Liberals are unpatriotic and hate america, and the right are for smaller government!"
Thats a stupid statement as well and is made by plenty of right wingers, but i guess what i am saying especially on these threads i have noticed allot of liberal views that take the extreme stance on something with a very closed mind and allot of them seem very bitter and hatefull, allot of times directed at christians in particular.
Anyway Discuss
I am a Republican to the end and I think that the liberals are unpatriotic and hate america for different reasons.They like to change stuff that been in america for years.
And I think that they should stop while they are ahead.JM 🙂
Re: Re: liberal puppets?
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I am a Republican to the end and I think that the liberals are unpatriotic and hate america for different reasons.They like to change stuff that been in america for years.
And I think that they should stop while they are ahead.JM 🙂
After all the arguments and debates posted here JM, you are going to have to do better than that.
Why are you a republican? What policies do you agree with and why? Describe instances of liberals being unpatriotic and examples of why liberals hate america. America is continually changing, every country is, to grow stagnant is to die.
Your post was an uninformed joke spoken as though you were just being a mouthpiece to what you have heard your parents or people on T.V. say. I await your response, but expect none.
Ann Coulter. That's great.
JM, how can you not understand that change is necessary? If we just left everything alone and "preserved the status quo," as Republicans are always preaching, we would never get anywhere. As it is, we're a country that's too scared to do anything but build bombs. We have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire planet. We have more of them than any other country. In fact, if you add up the 19 countries below us who are making them as well, we still have more than them. Tell me why this is necessary, because I don't get it. I feel that money should be spent on education and health care. To me, that's just common sense. What happened to "promote the general welfare?"
Re: Re: Re: liberal puppets?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
After all the arguments and debates posted here JM, you are going to have to do better than that.Why are you a republican? What policies do you agree with and why? Describe instances of liberals being unpatriotic and examples of why liberals hate america. America is continually changing, every country is, to grow stagnant is to die.
Your post was an uninformed joke spoken as though you were just being a mouthpiece to what you have heard your parents or people on T.V. say. I await your response, but expect none.
Amen 🙄
besides i thought JM was British ; i may have been wrong.
Both sides have their set of puppets. No -one is the comlete rightous. Before elections we get inundated with promises (which sometimes require difficult amendments to keep). The puppets working for their respective parties do so with the knowledge that they may obtain a favour and a request granted in exchange. Few of these are idealists which work for the benefit that they truly believe in. Makes me wonder how many selfless puppets there are out there 😕
We want to have our commodities HERE AND NOW no matter what politivcal party one is going for. If Party A suites my wishes 8/10 rather than Party B , which if elected suites my wishes 4/10, then I will vote for Party A. So few are those with a humble ideal as living with the Maximum of the Minimum.
