Originally posted by sonnet
I fail to see what you are referring to. But we are encouraged in the Bible to speak out the name of God (and Jesus) when we pray, worship, give testamony, and in our daily walk with God. We should not use it in vane or for mockery though.
I don't know about you, but I know from experience that JIA can be really nasty when he gets mad. He is not the kind of person I would imagine having the Holy Spirit in him, but I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
We?It has been made clear all the good acts in the world aren't going to help one get to heaven, because God doesn't recognise people doing good things with good intentions, only people who believe in Jesus.
Yet for some reason on death we get to go to judgement, and go on about what we have done for our lives? Is it so God can laugh at all the good people that will be going to hell?
Or the people who found there to be many valid reasons why there is no God (clearly taken in by God's tricky nature?)
And my goodness, it has been implied God would be sad to see a single person go to hell, yet he is going to personally look billions in the eye and tell the majority:
"Sorry, you didn't believe/believed wrongly. You get an eternity in hell" -
And then he hands out crowns?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
They go to Hell regardless of what is really in there hearts, based upon a summery definition that in no way defines a person.
Imperial Samura, how would you like to have eternal life? Jesus Christ loves you so much that He went through intense pain and suffering (prior to His crucifixion and during His suffering on the cross) so that you could go to Heaven. He would have done this just for you if you were the only person on the planet. Will you this day accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
Originally posted by sonnet
No He is going to say" Go away from me I do not know you, for you name is not written in the Book of Life. " That will be because you have rejected His Son and not accepted Him as the Saviour.
How quickly God can turn his back on the ones he loves so.
Tell me, wouldn't it be maddening, to be God, and to have to live with the knowledge of so many children lost?
Imperial Samura, how would you like to have eternal life?
If I didn't earn it? Not much. Even less if I was a party to so many good people being let fall simply because they didn't have faith in something that there is no proof for.
Jesus Christ loves you so much that He went through intense pain and suffering (prior to His crucifixion and during His suffering on the cross) so that you could go to Heaven.
And it shouldn't be like that. Free will means nothing if I can be damned by the actions of Adam and Eve, and made feel responsible for the sacrifice of Jesus.
He would have done this just for you if you were the only person on the planet. Will you this day accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
No. No with the problems I have with Biblical doctrine. Not with the injustice I see in it.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
How quickly God can turn his back on the ones he loves so.Tell me, wouldn't it be maddening, to be God, and to have to live with the knowledge of so many children lost?
Not quickly,... God has given you all this time since His Son died on the cross and rose again from the dead, to accept Jesus and you still have untill time runs out for mankind. God was even "polite" enough to warn us about it in His Word. So you realy will not have any excuse when you stand infront of Him. And yes if you turn your back on God , He will in the end turn His back on you
Originally posted by sonnet
Not quickly,... God has given you all this time since His Son died on the cross and rose again from the dead, to accept Jesus and you still have untill time runs out for mankind. God was even "polite" enough to warn us about it in His Word. So you realy will not have any excuse when you stand infront of Him. And yes if you turn your back on God , He will in the end turn His back on you
Wisdom has spoken.
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Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
How quickly God can turn his back on the ones he loves so.Tell me, wouldn't it be maddening, to be God, and to have to live with the knowledge of so many children lost?
If I didn't earn it? Not much. Even less if I was a party to so many good people being let fall simply because they didn't have faith in something that there is no proof for.
And it shouldn't be like that. Free will means nothing if I can be damned by the actions of Adam and Eve, and made feel responsible for the sacrifice of Jesus.
No. No with the problems I have with Biblical doctrine. Not with the injustice I see in it. [/B]
What ?!? You just analyzed something that did not need to be analyzed. I am very concerned for you. I have told you this before that you try to rationalize EVERYTHING. Samura, all things do not require analysis. You don't have to parse and analyze every word or phrase that is giving to you to understand and respond to it. (Man, I wonder what you were like as a kid. Nobody should be that uptight).
Re: How Open Minded Are You About The "Book?" And What Jesus Taught.......
Originally posted by debbiejo
Could you say that you know for a fact that Christianity doesn't have Pagan roots and that the scriptures included in the Bible are the right ones? There are many other scriptures from James, Paul, and of course we know about Thomas..If all the other writings were included, they would contradict each other. Why do you think certain ones were chosen and others were left out?Also, I like what Windancer posted on the PBS show concerning What Jesus thought and taught and what others taught about Him..
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What ?!? You just analyzed something that did not need to be analyzed. I am very concerned for you. I have told you this before that you try to rationalize EVERYTHING. Samura, all things do not require analysis. You don't have to parse and analyze every word or phrase that is giving to you to understand and respond to it. (Man, I wonder what you were like as a kid. Nobody should be that uptight).
Yes, not everything can be understood by reason. However, one must not be irrational on the basis of faith. Just like while the Buddha's enlightenment(the TRUTH he attained) may transcend the realm of reason, it is not irrational, nor does it resist rational examination. Faith in the Buddha's teaching is in fact the basis for a mode of intellectual examination which enlists not only analytical capacities but also seeks to develop the intuitive wisdom found in the deepest spiritual strata of the human being. Learning and knowledge can serve as the portal to wisdom; but it is wisdom that enables us to use knowledge in the most humane and valuable way. The confusion of knowledge and wisdom, arguably, is at the root of our societal distortions.
What is called for now is new unification of belief and reason encompassing all aspects of the human being and society, including the insights achieved by modern science. This must be an attempt to restore wholeness to human society, which has been rent asunder by extremes of reason artificially divorced from belief and irrational religious fanaticism.
Originally posted by mahasattva
Yes, not everything can be understood by reason. However, one must not be irrational on the basis of faith. Just like while the Buddha's enlightenment(the TRUTH he attained) may transcend the realm of reason, it is not irrational, nor does it resist rational examination.
True. In my view, a divine truth must transcend the realm of reason, this is... it must contain and extend beyond the realm of reason, not resist it. It must be compatible with the realm of reason.
If something fails completely when subjected to intellectual analysis, then it does not have any hope of transcend reason.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What ?!? You just analyzed something that did not need to be analyzed. I am very concerned for you. I have told you this before that you try to rationalize EVERYTHING. Samura, all things do not require analysis. You don't have to parse and analyze every word or phrase that is giving to you to understand and respond to it. (Man, I wonder what you were like as a kid. Nobody should be that uptight).
When you preach at me, rhetorical or not, I am going to respond (if I feel like it) with problem I see in the preaching.
You asked if I wanted eternal life? Clearly you think everybody says "Yes" and thus it would qualify as a question that needn't be answer.
This just shows the failing of you rationalising abilities - things are not as black or white as you make out, and your claims are not perfect. I am sorry if you dislike me questioning you gnomic summery, but it deserved it.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
When you preach at me, rhetorical or not, I am going to respond (if I feel like it) with problem I see in the preaching.You asked if I wanted eternal life? Clearly you think everybody says "Yes" and thus it would qualify as a question that needn't be answer.
This just shows the failing of you rationalising abilities - things are not as black or white as you make out, and your claims are not perfect. I am sorry if you dislike me questioning you gnomic summery, but it deserved it.
But I just asked you a question. I did not ask you to write a treatise or thesis on how to achieve world peace, balance the national budget, eradicate A.I.D.S. and cancer, annihilate racism, poverty, and crime.