ok, but it's alot easier to argue for hal withouth the ff, everytime in this particular fight i delete most of the arguements im going to make because of strange's ff. and your speed arguement isnt ignored. its just a pet peeve of mine when aruements always come down to who's fastest. and thats rarely the case is comics and real life. and like jrod said, surfer doesnt fight as fast as he flies. someone like flash, yes, even barry, probably fights faster than surfer because he trained him self to fight at top speed.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hal is nowhere near as fast as Surfer and you know it. Green Lanterns use wormholes to travel across the galaxy. If you claim otherwise, prove it.Parallax is apparently devoid of energy and unconscious after Kyle absorbs his energy. Where did you read Kyle absorbed half of Parralax's energy?
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/J_L_of_A_211-10.jpg
He didnt absorb all Thanos's and Parallax's energy. All he took was the energy thever stonlet to become all powerfull.
Hal also able to stop time? Uhhh Ohhh. Can SS compete with that?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/1989-03-14_Action_Comics_642_22_GL.jpg
Originally posted by jrodslam
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/J_L_of_A_211-10.jpgHe didnt absorb all Thanos's and Parallax's energy. All he took was the energy thever stonlet to become all powerfull.
I don't even know why I am arguing
Are you saying SS can’t absorb energy? (I showed you that he can)
Are you saying Gl’s ring, Oa’s power is not energy? (Well it is)
SS absorbs energy – Gl ring is no different.
SS can Attack at light speed, Gl can’t even react that fast.
SS can beat him my cosmic blast
SS is overall stonger.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The Silver Surfer is too much faster and more powerful than any of them. He is also immune to telepathy. Martian Manhunter won't last a nanosecond.Dr. Strange always has magical protection, and the Cloak of Levitation allows him to fly at greater than light speeds. The Eye Of Agamotto is much more powerful than Martian Manhunters mind. Add that to the Ruby of Dominion, and Martian Manhunter's telepathy is nothing in comparison.
Savage Hulk isn't going to get knocked out. To my recollection, Savage Hulk has never been knocked unconscious by blows. If Hulk can contend with Celestials, Superman and Wonder Woman, will not dispose of him quickly.
Flash doesn't really give his teammates a higher degree of speed; from what I've seen, he sorta drags them along with him without touching them. It's almost like a form of telekinesis he can only use while running.
Defenders win this easy.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Heat vision full force? Martian vision full force? GL ring blast? Speed force energy blasts? All at the same time? Lol. are you kidding? All that just to break Strange's ff? If the JLA has to do that, they already lost.I do agree that the fight wont last more than 10 hours. Defenders beat the JLA then go to Atlantis for lunch.
Hulk Annual 98, 2,000 ton. Sorry.
Flash has mastered the speed force YES. Instant transmission without borrowing speed or entering the speed force? No sir. And if he tries entering the sf, he risks time travelling. Would he take the risk in battle? Doubt it. <---Deathstroke beating Flash was kinda crap, the precog of Deathstroke is stile too slow for someone which possess a brain activity faster than the lightning.
I do agree with you saying that SS doesnt always speed blitz. Flash is always expected to though. And as we all saw in Identity Crisis, Deathstroke was counting on it. So would Strange. Plus with the speedblitz, Flash wont penetrate the ff.
The Defenders will win.
They have Dr. Strange, the most powerful sorcerer in the universe, Silver Surfer; he's lightyears faster than anyone in the JLA, and way more powerful, and they have Hulk: the strongest one there is!
Nightwing II, Valkyrie, and Namor will play cleanup. Surfer, Strange, and Hulk will do most of the work.
look there's no doubt that on paper defenders look like the sextet of superheros assembled. but beleive or not jla has overcome greater. they have the best dynamics of any team ever. they have meatings for crying out loud.
here's a very possible out come:
hulk thinks that namor calls him stupid
hulk and namor scruff it up
surfer leaves in disgust of the way earthlings kill each other
strange and valkyrie try to keep everything together til nightwing catches cancer or falls down a well or gets bitten by a fly and they have to call every superhero in the MU to have some sort of ceremony to revive/save him.
they are all great superheros. marvel writers put them together because they are marvels greatest LONERS. what makes their comics interesting is that they hate each other. meanwhile JLA can execute some sort of brilliant plan bats and supes make up and do it with ease because they are constantly linked via MM.
the defenders only band together when completely necissary, like saving the universe against an impossible threat. if they dont see JLA as a threat to begin with, they loose for many reasons. . .
