Originally posted by VanquishMy thoughts exactly...
Just because Anakin is the Chosen one, doesn't mean he is the strongest, I wish people would get off that line of thinking. It ONLY means that he is the one in the end that defeats the Sith. It is more of a victory by association, because he is the only one that could have been standing next to Palpy to do the job, because if it was any other jedi, even a much more powerful one, Palpy would have been fighting back. The only reason Vader kills Palpy is because he isn't expecting it. That is HARDLY a display of power or strength imo.Anyway, Yoda would destroy Anakin or Vader at any time during any of the movies. At no time was Anakin ever as strong as Yoda.
Gee, that's funny. But GL and RM have both said Anakin is the best, the most powerful, of ALL time.
Anakin was never as well groomed as Yoda, but all throughout Revenge of the Sith he was more powerful.
Janus, it's been a while since my comp worked so let's backtrack. You said that the Sith existed for a long time before Sidious and Vader. You are right, the Sith order is quite old. However, once Sidious learned the powers of Darth Plagueis, he now had the ability to use midichlorians to extend his life. This power alone, would definately corrupt the natural order of the force, and increase Sidious' power significantly. On top of that, he can cloud the entire light side of the force. I mean, we've all seen him BS Jedi Masters like Yoda and Mace, so that obviously takes some power right?
Sidious even knows Anakin is more powerful than him, but luckily for him, Anakin's achilles heel steps in and inadvertantly throws a leash around his neck.
Yoda does have centuries on Anakin, and that I can't argue. But he doesn't know Anakin that well, and if he couldn't beat Sidious, no way could he defeat Anakin.
Yoda is OWNED
No he isn't..
Anakin may be more powerful, but Yoda is smarter and more skilled. You can be the strongest person in the world and still lose from somebody with a gun if he knows how to fight. Strength only means so much. If you are strong but not skilled with a blade will you be able to defeat a lightsaber master? Of course not. Well Anakin was skilled but not as skilled as Yoda was.
Yoda wins this
i guess none of you have read the ep3 book. Yida says that Obi-wan will never be powerful enough to defeat Palpatine by himself. Obi-wan beat Anakin. Obi-wan beat Anakin, herefor Anakin must be weaker than Sidious. Yoda knew he would have an okay chance against Sidious, maybe 40, 60 so he went to challenge him. This means that he is more powerful than Obi-wan, who was more powerful than Anakin. Raw, unharnessed energy means nothing unless it can be properly controled. Also, before you go claiming that GL said Anakin is the strongest OF ALL TIME, please find some quotes and a proper source. I know it says he had the most force power at that time, unharnessed or not, but I never heard anything about most powerful ever.
Yes he would, he became his apprentice to learn how to save Padme fool. I'm sorry btw if you didn't know that.
Yoda and Mace watched Anakin, but they never learned of Anakin in the way Obi-Wan did. They were like father and son and/or brothers. That connection is what makes their battle so thrilling and emotional.
GL has already said in the DVD documentaries that Obi-Wan is not as powerful as Anakin, he has more experience and control of his emotions, and that's why he wins.
Besides, him beating Anakin doesn't mean he's more powerful, he beat Darth Maul, but Maul was far superior in power.
Sidious couldn't take Anakin, that's one of the main reasons he tries to turn him. Otherwise he would have tried to get a different apprentice and simply kill Anakin. (even though it would be far from simple) Can't beat them join them type of thing. I mean, he's even afraid during ROTJ because he is terrified of the idea of Anakin returning to the light.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yoda and Mace were both watching Anakin very closly so they would know him pretty well. Obi-wan also gave them a lot of information about him. Your just a dumb@$$ because if Anakin was more powerful than Sidious he would not have become his apprentice.
Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
Sidious couldn't take Anakin, that's one of the main reasons he tries to turn him. Otherwise he would have tried to get a different apprentice and simply kill Anakin. (even though it would be far from simple) Can't beat them join them type of thing. I mean, he's even afraid during ROTJ because he is terrified of the idea of Anakin returning to the light.
Tell me something, why the hell would you make somebody your apprentice that is more powerful then you? You make sure he dies if he his more powerful and actually has a chance of beating you.
Also why the hell would you kill somebody that is more powerful then most Jedi just to get a weaker person as your apprentice? I see no real reason for that, unless of course Anakin was stronger then him, but if he was stronger Sidious would have used other people to kill him. He isn't stupid
Sidious made Anakin his apprentice because the perfect apprentice can do all the dirty work for him. He doesn't want anyone to know he has force powers otherwise people wouldn't take him being Emperor so well.
Sidious figures that if anyone is going to take his throne from him, it can only be someone worthy, like his perfect apprentice. Another Sith Lord. That's how the Sith work, only the strong can rule, and Sidious has accepted this. However, he gets Mech Vader who he can still boss around, and who can still smoke a bunch of fools publicly.